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AdLib On November - 7 - 2014
Hey all! Vox Populi, our live weekly chat about the week’s events begins tonight at 7:00 PM PST! Can’t imagine what happened this week that we could chat about but we always find something. Hope to see you then!
adlib 7 days ago
Is this the Palin – Bachmann 2016 fer jebus chat room?
Harleigh

7 days ago
Sorry I missed you, Harleigh! And no, this is the Ted Cruz/Joni Ernst 2016 chat room…er…rant room.
adlib 7 days ago
Hey there!
adlib 7 days ago
III”MMMM BAAACK
Harleigh

7 days ago
Welcome back!
adlib 7 days ago
LOL anything much happen this week?
Harleigh

7 days ago
Uh…Chuck Todd fell off a swing and cried when he skinned his knee.
adlib 7 days ago
I can only imagine how batshit crazy everything will get with a Repub Congress and a Repub Presidential campaign.
adlib 7 days ago
poor ol chuckie. he has always been quite the klutz. I heard we now have 10 – 20 palilin/bachmann types in congress. HOLY SHIT!
Harleigh

7 days ago
endless comedy for one thing
Harleigh

7 days ago
It’s now a Town Drunk Convention!
adlib 7 days ago
Boner should be happy until the new drunks throw him under the bus
Harleigh

7 days ago
Make that Village Idiot Convention.
adlib 7 days ago
The real contest is who can outcrazy who.
adlib 7 days ago
joni hoggo ernst has a good start
Harleigh

7 days ago
I can imagine them trying to top each other as they demand something crazier and crazier. And Yep, Joni Ernst looks to be a real rival with Ted Cruz for “Craziest in a Republican Role”.
adlib 7 days ago
“I offer a bill to end Obamacare…and bring polio back!”
adlib 7 days ago
RWNJ talivanies will be heading up science and eddakashun! wahahaha WTF?
Harleigh

7 days ago
and benghazibola too!
Harleigh

7 days ago
“And I offer a bill to kill Obamacare, bring polio back…and contaminate our water supply with radiation!”
adlib 7 days ago
poison food and salmonella for all!
Harleigh

7 days ago
They’ll demand science books say that the Earth is 6,000 years old take out the theory of gravity since it’s only a theory an “I’m not a scientist”.
adlib 7 days ago
Ecol-AYE!
adlib 7 days ago
lol
Harleigh

7 days ago
SyphilYES!
adlib 7 days ago
godswill=no cures or meds…. just like the bible.
Harleigh

7 days ago
“I propose a law that requires a Citizenship ID not to be choked to death.”
adlib 7 days ago
issued by the UN/FEMA
Harleigh

7 days ago
“And I propose that we change the definition of immigrats to mean ‘kindling”‘”
adlib 7 days ago
Gentlemen
funksands

7 days ago
“I propose that the US Chamber of Commerce be authorized as a death panel.”
adlib 7 days ago
Hey Mr. Funk!
adlib 7 days ago
hey funk
Harleigh

7 days ago
harleigh, I though for sure you’d have seceded from Florida by now
funksands

7 days ago
Hi Ad!
funksands

7 days ago
Harleigh, kick some asses down there for us, okay?
adlib 7 days ago
Oh great, here come the foreigners to rub it in. At least we didn’t elect Rick Perry to be our Prime Minister
funksands

7 days ago
they re-elected the SOS! unreal
Harleigh

7 days ago
Sorry I’m late, folks. Hi! I’ve only one comment. I’m disgusted!
pinkpantheroz

7 days ago
Funk – Yet!
adlib 7 days ago
Guess he has to run first. If we can count on anyone to run for Prime Minister of the US it’ll be Rick Perry
funksands

7 days ago
Hi everybody – I’m with PPO. disgusted but with DEMS and their cowardice.
choicelady

7 days ago
PPO – Americans have grown accustommed to consuming garbage. It’s no coincidence that the McRib came back by popular demand around election time.
adlib 7 days ago
Just lost a comment, everyone else posting okay?
adlib 7 days ago
AdLib – you knocking the McRib???? I actually never ate one – is it good? Dems aren’t.
choicelady

7 days ago
pink you ain’t seen nuttin yet! we now have 20 in congress that ar loonier than batshitcrazy Bachmann. serious.
Harleigh

7 days ago
Ad, Nope, everything looks good
pinkpantheroz

7 days ago
Harleigh – I know. Though getting rid of Bachmann would make things better. Who knew she’d cloned so many replacements>
choicelady

7 days ago
I hear Obama won both of his elections. Good thing they distanced themselves from him
funksands

7 days ago
Is it true that McRibs are made with the leftovers from Joni Ernst’s pig farm procedures?
kesmarn

7 days ago
Hey CL! McRib is a pink-slime shaped mold with corn syrup filled “barbecue sauce”…it’s GREAT!!!
adlib 7 days ago
lol
Harleigh

7 days ago
kes – eeeuuuwwwww!
choicelady

7 days ago
Harleigh, It’ll be interesting when thay all look at each other and realize, Shit-we now have to actually WORK!
pinkpantheroz

7 days ago
PPO – If you look at their faces at todays’ summit with the president, it says it all – they’re scared shitless.
choicelady

7 days ago
Good one, Funk!
pinkpantheroz

7 days ago
they have never lead and have no plans.
Harleigh

7 days ago
Hey Kes! Those aren’t leftovers, we call those Ernstables.
adlib 7 days ago
eeeewwwwww
Harleigh

7 days ago
Ernstables!!! Too funny, AdLib!!!
choicelady

7 days ago
Or perhaps “Ernst-a-balls”?
kesmarn

7 days ago
Pink, they aren’t going to do that. LOL
funksands

7 days ago
kes – even MORE eeeuuuuwwww.
choicelady

7 days ago
If you woory about Mcribs, spare a thought for Links!
pinkpantheroz

7 days ago
Kes – McErnsts?
adlib 7 days ago
Choice, why do you say they are “scared shitless”?
murphthesurf3

7 days ago
That ernst woman just looks like she’d taste terrible.
Harleigh

7 days ago
Any truth that the Senate chamber is now to be warmed with coal bins and a tire fire?
funksands

7 days ago
Joni is going to get NO respect from us I see. GOOD!
choicelady

7 days ago
CL, I’m sorry I’m causing (more) nausea this week.
kesmarn

7 days ago
funk – it will also be lit with whale oil.
choicelady

7 days ago
kes – not a problem. Some rising gorge is appropriate.
choicelady

7 days ago
McJoni’s?
kesmarn

7 days ago
kes!!!!!
choicelady

7 days ago
Ernstestines?
adlib 7 days ago
Choice, that’s nice. I myself like a whale oil sconce
funksands

7 days ago
funk – it casts such wonderful shadows in which to hide.
choicelady

7 days ago
Ernstestines! Genius!
kesmarn

7 days ago
Funk, sprinked with a bit of Rhino horn
pinkpantheroz

7 days ago
Excellent for looming
funksands

7 days ago
PPO – NEVER. The RW has no sex, they all say so.
choicelady

7 days ago
funk – or pretending you’re not really there.
choicelady

7 days ago
until they get caught with a kid………
Harleigh

7 days ago
Harleigh – sad to say, that’s too true.
choicelady

7 days ago
Choice, amazing number of Immaculate conceptions there in the US!
pinkpantheroz

7 days ago
Post-election party at the Koch Mansion Tuesday night
funksands

7 days ago
I know CL…..
Harleigh

7 days ago
PPO – well yes. Only BAD people have sex. GOOD people have storks.
choicelady

7 days ago
PPO – I don’t think the Repubs have any intention of working…aside from offering up poisonous bills that they can use to excite their base and try to hurt Dems who vote against them.
adlib 7 days ago
AdLib – only bill they will offer is impeachment.
choicelady

7 days ago
Great Simpson/Koch vid, funk!
kesmarn

7 days ago
Ad, I hope that’s what they do. The disgust will make it easier in ’16. Of course, we’ll never hear about it due to that pesky Left-Wing Biased Media!
pinkpantheroz

7 days ago
funk – my sound is off. I will play it when I get that fixed.
choicelady

7 days ago
this twitter conversation between several conservatives is all you need to know about what the GOP plans are

funksands

7 days ago
Well they can try all that. None of it will work.
choicelady

7 days ago
Wow, I didn’t know our chat software embedded tweets! Cool! Though the content of the tweet is idiotic. No, the Senate Dems will filibuster it.
adlib 7 days ago
I have gotten a dozen calls from folks I helped get insurance through ACA. They are scared. All but one voted GOP and were happy about the results on Tuesday. And they cannot make the connection between that and their fear. I told them that I thought ACA is in trouble from the Congress via budget bill reconciliation that can starve the program and does not require Presidential signature, and as of today, the SCOTUS that will hear a substantive challenge to the law now.
murphthesurf3

7 days ago
AdLib – filibuster and then a veto.
choicelady

7 days ago
I’m nervous about one thing only: Dems being so spineless they don’t want to be viewed as obstructionists so they “triangulate” on bills
funksands

7 days ago
funk – I think the ones that survived are the ones with a spine. One good thing – we weeded out most of the ones who’d cave.
choicelady

7 days ago
Sucks when the chickens come home to roost Murph.
funksands

7 days ago
CL – No need even for a veto since Dems will filibuster. Only possible veto would be if a bad budget is passed through reconcilliation.
adlib 7 days ago
Choice, true. Only two conservative Dems left in the Senate and one isn’t up for re-election until 2014
funksands

7 days ago
Murph- they can’t see the RELATIONSHIP between their health care and their vote??? My grandfather was from MO and a bigot gone to hell, but even HE would see THAT.
choicelady

7 days ago
Funk – A valid concern but there are too few Blue Dogs left in the Senate, they still won’t have enough votes.
adlib 7 days ago
Murph, wait till all those KY GOP voters find out that Mitch is gunning for their Kynect insurance (which they never figured out was part of Obamacare).
kesmarn

7 days ago
AdLib – as much as I hate to say it, it will serve many people right if the budget reconciliation does harm.
choicelady

7 days ago
I like the klown replacing Coburn in OK, fixing the deficit with jebus.
Harleigh

7 days ago
Funk, it does…I am so angry about the black and Hispanic vote that I am no longer mincing my words. I had a major fight with a Hispanic “leader” two days ago who, at a meeting, said that his people were sending Obama a message….yes, the message was, we don’t have your back and now their fate is in GOP hands.
murphthesurf3

7 days ago
Harleigh – I work for a progressive faith organization and TOTALLY agree with you!
choicelady

7 days ago
Murph – the Latino non vote was supremely idiotic. I never thought I’d see the day they couldn’t tell their friends from foes, but clearly they didn’t.
choicelady

7 days ago
How are the leaders of the Hispanic community going to feel when Obama uses an executive order to fix immigration?
kesmarn

7 days ago
CL…the power of the propaganda machine (on both sides) is real but the GOP fronts are better at it than the dems.
murphthesurf3

7 days ago
CL, the reason couldn’t have been no-so-subtle pressure from their employers, now, would it/
pinkpantheroz

7 days ago
kes – like the LGBT community, they were not politically savvy, and I’m not sure PBO is going to use an EO on anything but slowing deportations.
choicelady

7 days ago
CL – I go back and forth on this. Since anger and fear are the main motivators for American Voters, if terrible bills get passed by a Repub Congress that can override an Obama veto, there will sure be a big grassroots vote for Dems in 2016. What I hate though is that too many Americans need to have terrible things come crashing down on them from Republicans before they smarten up enough to vote against them.
adlib 7 days ago
Kes..count on the GOP to shape it such that it is Obama’s and the Dems fault in creating a poorly designed sytem that is now falling apart.
murphthesurf3

7 days ago
Maybe now I can realize my dream to becoming a GINA GENERAL!!
Harleigh

7 days ago
All I am going to do for the next two years is try to educate people on the importance of their local elections. The more local you get, the more involved you get the more of a “message” they can send. National politics is all about the comparative vote. “Message” votes or non-voting is simply stabbing yourself in the face.
funksands

7 days ago
Kes…I don’t know if Obama can do it now…..they may have tied his hands…..
murphthesurf3

7 days ago
There can’t be an over ride on a veto – not enough hold in the Senate. But yeah – there are still things the GOP can do that are dangerous. And will people lay that on the GOP? We will see.
choicelady

7 days ago
Nearly all of the real damage is happening on the state and local level. And Democratic voters for the most part aren’t paying attention, and the DNC isn’t funding the races.
funksands

7 days ago
funk – yup. Try telling that to progressives and special interest folks who want what they want NOW.
choicelady

7 days ago
CL – the GOP is working toward a veto proof Senate. Count on it.
murphthesurf3

7 days ago
The RW gets very local, as you know, funk. Right down to election boards and school boards. We need to do the same.
kesmarn

7 days ago
I know – but they don’t have it now.
choicelady

7 days ago
Yep
funksands

7 days ago
One pronouncement from a GOP Pundit made me laugh. He said: ‘This election wasn’t about Ebola, ISIL or the Obamacare. It was a referendum on Obama. ” Huh? WTF? Then why were all the ads full of Ebols, ISIL and Obamacare?
pinkpantheroz

7 days ago
kes – progressives are not willing to put in the work locally.
choicelady

7 days ago
2/3 of the States are now in GOP hands…..gerrymandering heaven. Voter suppression utopia.
murphthesurf3

7 days ago
Anyone think it’s time to replace Debbie Wasserman Schultz?
kesmarn

7 days ago
Many progressives are Choice, just not nearly enough.
funksands

7 days ago
kes – it was time to replace Schultz about four years ago.
choicelady

7 days ago
I hear the Latino leaders who wanted to send a message to Obama by not voting are also angry at their faces and have voted to cut their own noses off to send their faces a message.
adlib 7 days ago
Kes, she and Israel are already shit-canned I think
funksands

7 days ago
well its been a reall long day for me and early tomorrow so I gots to duck out early. later folks.
Harleigh

7 days ago
CL, I think you are correct!
kesmarn

7 days ago
funk – I see little action in CA at the local level. Everyone wants the limelight. but they are not ready for prime time.
choicelady

7 days ago
Night Harleigh!
adlib 7 days ago
G’night, Harleigh! Have a great weekend!
kesmarn

7 days ago
Anyone who can make sure I don’t get 3.5 million stupid nasty emails begging for money would get my support
funksands

7 days ago
Night Harleigh
funksands

7 days ago
Good night, Harleigh – nice to see you if too briefly!
choicelady

7 days ago
funk – I’m with you!
choicelady

7 days ago
I unsubscribed for four different organization in September, I just couldn’t take it anymore
funksands

7 days ago
G’night, Harleigh.
pinkpantheroz

7 days ago
Murph – Doesn’t matter when it comes to gerrymandering, districts can’t be changed until 2021 so the 2020 elections are critical.
adlib 7 days ago
I cut off all of them Wednesday.
choicelady

7 days ago
Funk….the pathetic nature of the Dem e mails had LOSER written all over them. If the Dems cannot figure out how to nullify the inevitable GOP advantage in this area then they are done.
murphthesurf3

7 days ago
Those emails drive me crazy. The DNC did absolutely nothing for Kasich’s opponent in Ohio. Left him twisting in the wind. And I’m supposed to send them money?
kesmarn

7 days ago
BRB
pinkpantheroz

7 days ago
Ad….the ground is being laid to own every single legislature.
murphthesurf3

7 days ago
kes – Kasich’s opponent wasn’t any good though. How did he get picked when he was such a hollow reed?
choicelady

7 days ago
Murph – that’s the scary part – redistricting, gerrymandering, eternal violation of the Civil Rights Act. Scary.
choicelady

7 days ago
He was very weak, CL. God knows how he was selected. But even a half-hearted effort of support would have looked better.
kesmarn

7 days ago
Murph – The Repubs always have an advantage in propaganda because their message is about terrifying voters out of their minds and getting them mindlessly angry. Dems are about policy, even lying about that isn’t as potent as lying about, “We’re all gonna be killed thanks to Obama!!!”
adlib 7 days ago
Here in my district they had it really figure out in 2012. The party set up an organization that that was set up around the state rep and state senator candidates. The staff then worked up and down the food chain depending on which candidate needed support, calls, fundraising etc. By positioning themselves in the middle of the food chain, support sort of organically flowed to different races. Its one idea
funksands

7 days ago
I do agree, Debbie Wasserman Schultz has got to go. Look what a great job Howard Dean did compared to her.
adlib 7 days ago
Ad, part of the problem with hiring sitting Congressional reps is they don’t have the time to do it.
funksands

7 days ago
Funk, was that a Dem organization or GOP
murphthesurf3

7 days ago
Dem. I put in about 8-10 hours a week volunteering in 2012. Really slick
funksands

7 days ago
Funk..what were the results in your state.
murphthesurf3

7 days ago
Funk – Good point. But even so, the “Obama who?” campaign she spearheaded was incredibly horrible.
adlib 7 days ago
I would have to say the fundie churches were a huge factor here. They operate in stealth mode, but they’re very efficient. They pick a candidate from their membership and all the churches get behind that person. They hardly need to spend money on campaigning. There are buzz words and little tricks like — not lying — having their organizational meetings at Chik-Fil-A.
kesmarn

7 days ago
In my state, it went very blue. Locally nearly all of our candidates won. Dem Guv, Dem Rep, Dem Senator, pot, gay marriage, Obama etc. But the point is that the organization in the state didn’t rely on the national party to organize
funksands

7 days ago
kes – that’s creepy indeed!
choicelady

7 days ago
Kes and there is no corresponding liberal organization to match those fundie churches.
murphthesurf3

7 days ago
CL, one church alone has over 12,000 members (and there are many other churches). They’re all GOP/TP.
kesmarn

7 days ago
Funk, what state?
murphthesurf3

7 days ago
Ad, no doubt. I was yelling since summertime that avoiding the single most popular nationally elected figure in the country was madness.
funksands

7 days ago
Murph: Washington
funksands

7 days ago
Murph, there you have it. They’re disciplined zealots. And they plan to be running the whole country before long.
kesmarn

7 days ago
It is ebb and flow though folks, Repubs slaughtered Dems in 2010 then Dems came back and Obama was re-elected in 2012. This is the reality we’re in, the off year electorate is more RW then when more people vote in Presidential elections. Let’s not forget that and allow ourselves to be demoralized about the future. What will be a better ad for a Dem wave in 2016 than a Repub controlled Congress going nuts?
adlib 7 days ago
brb
funksands

7 days ago
Murph and kes- we know we’re forbidden to be partisan. I keep telling the faux progressives that they can file complaints IF they were present. We don’t do it at all – we obey the c-4 laws.
choicelady

7 days ago
CL, are you referring to the churches you represent?
kesmarn

7 days ago
AdLib – we did NOT come back on anything much other than the president. Liberals do not think Congress is important, and most voters think they can’t tell who is good, who is not.
choicelady

7 days ago
kes – yes AND my own organization that is in two parts – a c-3 and a c-4. Partisan politics is forbidden to both.
choicelady

7 days ago
Funk – History repeating itself. Al Gore could have won more clearly (and not allowed the opportunity for the Repubs and SCOTUS to steal the election) if he had campaigned as part of the Clinton partnership. So stupid to run away from your party’s leader, it never works. Try defending him and your shared values, Dem politicians. It works in other elections.
adlib 7 days ago
CL – Not true, we picked up Senate and House seats.
adlib 7 days ago
AdLib – let’s be honest that GOP candidates running with Bush in 2008 would have been even MORE creamed.
choicelady

7 days ago
AdLib – it’s irrelevant if you don’t WIN the houses.
choicelady

7 days ago
It’s so good that those mainstream denominations are following the rules, CL. The fundies have developed an amazing set of dog whistle terms. I listened to a recording of one of their pastors’ sermons. Coded instructions on how to vote, but difficult to nail down in a court of law.
kesmarn

7 days ago
kes – our pastors and priests talk about ISSUES and moral values, all perfectly legal, but the fundies outright do partisan ballot directives.
choicelady

7 days ago
CL – Dems kept control of the Senate in 2012 and increased their number of seats in the House.
adlib 7 days ago
Ad, so true. The GOP distanced themselves from W (rightly so) but as a result turned off enough of the electorate that turnout dropped for them
funksands

7 days ago
Yes, they do, CL. And of course, their own members are not likely to blow the whistle on them.
kesmarn

7 days ago
Ad Lib…The GOP now has a working strategy, defined by the Think Tanks employed by their masters, that is working to defeat the demographics with growing success.
murphthesurf3

7 days ago
CL – Holding the Presidency is far from irrelevant. Can you imagine what would be happening to this country next year if Romney had won in 2012?
adlib 7 days ago
The gang’s all here! Hi everyone.
sabreen60

7 days ago
Murph, its a race. Can they lock the door before their voters die or whites become the minority?
funksands

7 days ago
AdLib – we had one house in 2006 into 2014. We lost both in 1994 to 2006, lost the house two years later, and lost it worse now. Dems have to have more than more seats – they have to get total voter agreement to have both houses. We can’t do that.
choicelady

7 days ago
Hey, Sabreen! How are ya?
kesmarn

7 days ago
Sabreen! I’m still drinking
funksands

7 days ago
Hey Sabreen – good to see you here even though I just saw you over at TPV a little while ago.
choicelady

7 days ago
There aren’t enough liberals to elect Democrats on their own. More self-described moderates vote for Dems anyway. They won’t do it if the only message is “GOP sucks”.
funksands

7 days ago
Kes, Funk still drinking shots of Patron! Might be drinking for the next couple of years worried
sabreen60

7 days ago
funk. I agree. But Dems can’t get beyond that.
choicelady

7 days ago
Stay loose my friend, its going to be a long car ride across Iowa….
funksands

7 days ago
After last Tuesday? Totally understandable, Sabreen.
kesmarn

7 days ago
Murph – That’s just not true holistically. One election, Repubs win, an off year election when Dems had a ton more contested seats up for grabs. The party out of power always does well historically in off years, let’s keep things in perspective. Dems have won both of the previous Presidential elections and only won an off year election when Bush was President. The pattern is consistent.
adlib 7 days ago
funk – are we back to Joni again?
choicelady

7 days ago
No, Iowa just sucks
funksands

7 days ago
to drive across
funksands

7 days ago
Not a flatlander, funk?
kesmarn

7 days ago
Funk – Iowa makes me feel queasy in my Ernstestines.
adlib 7 days ago
AdLib – the issue of house control has fallen, regardless of president, to the GOP since 1994. We HAVE to do better.
choicelady

7 days ago
:-)
funksands

7 days ago
Ms. CL, Yep. I do make my rounds. Looking for sanity anywhere I can.
sabreen60

7 days ago
funk and kes – Iowa is NOT flat. It’s quite lovely with rolling hills all along I-80 and in other spots.
choicelady

7 days ago
Sarah Palin must be piddling herself, now there is a gun-totin’, hog cutting gal elected!
pinkpantheroz

7 days ago
Ad…MONEY…that is the key. Unless the Dem can find a way to make money much less relevant then they are cooked. I read today the nationl and state GOP election committees bought barely one ad…they pumped their money into the ground game. But the GOP ads ran 2 to 5 to 1 across the country . How…..the billionaires and the corporations.
murphthesurf3

7 days ago
Que pasa, amigos and amigas?
killgoretrout

7 days ago
Sabreen – we travel in packs, moving from oasis to oasis! Always delighted to see you at the waterhole!
choicelady

7 days ago
Hey, KT how they hangin’?
pinkpantheroz

7 days ago
There is an ideological log jam in place right now that is keeping equal pressure on both side of the political argument. There’s going to have to be a tipping point event to move it. Foolishly I thought a fake war, torture and economic meltdown was it. If that won’t do it I don’t know what will
funksands

7 days ago
I hear you, CL. I’ve actually driven across Iowa and I liked it. But then I’m odd about loving midwestern landscapes.
kesmarn

7 days ago
CL – The main reason House control is lost to Dems is losing in 2010 and gerrymandering. I’ve said for some time, the Dems won’t be able to retake The House until after 2021 IF Dems win statehouses and fix the gerrymandering. And hey, how about laws getting passed in states like we have here in CA that takes redistricting out of the hands of scheming politicians? That could help too!
adlib 7 days ago
Hi KT! How’s MA doing with it’s ridiculous new governor. Not that Coakley was good, but she WAS a Dem.
choicelady

7 days ago
Low PPO, low!
killgoretrout

7 days ago
kes – I even like NW Ohio. So sue me.
choicelady

7 days ago
Hey, Homie! How are you and the Mum?
kesmarn

7 days ago
BTW, hey Sabreen!
adlib 7 days ago
Hey CL! I still can’t believe that the people of Mass voted for that rat. They’ll regret it.
killgoretrout

7 days ago
Hi kt!
sabreen60

7 days ago
Hiya AdLib!
sabreen60

7 days ago
CL, I even love Toledo — crumbly little rustbelt berg that it is.
kesmarn

7 days ago
MONEY and a compelling message has captured a record number of State governments. Those are the key to gerrymandering. Unless something very radical happens in 2016 it seems to me that they are setting up another ten years of Hous dominance.
murphthesurf3

7 days ago
KT, the whole counntry will regret tuesday
pinkpantheroz

7 days ago
AdLib – I got interviewed by a woman doing research for a billionaire who is trying to fund a proposition in several Midwestern states to make redistricting by a citizens’ committee. So we will see what happens.
choicelady

7 days ago
Hey Homie! We’re doing OK, and you? You holding down the fort until I get back?
killgoretrout

7 days ago
They re-elected Romney
funksands

7 days ago
I am, Homie. I tried to get rid of Kasich for you, but — no luck.
kesmarn

7 days ago
KT – when are you going back to O-HI-O?
choicelady

7 days ago
Murph – I know you feel that way, that the ones with the most money always win but that wasn’t true in 2012. It sure makes it harder to win but money can only do so much, if there is a strongly compelling reason to vote in the other direction, people will and did.
adlib 7 days ago
Hey Sabreen! How are you this fine evening?
killgoretrout

7 days ago
Hey KT!
adlib 7 days ago
AdLib – I TOTALLY agree on the message v money issue. Dems though do not have a compelling message at the Congressional level. They wussed on it.
choicelady

7 days ago
AdLib – I mean they COULD have had a compelling message of growth and improvement and did nothing with it.
choicelady

7 days ago
CL, I’m not sure yet. A lot depends on the mom having someone to help her out. She can’t really live alone any longer.
killgoretrout

7 days ago
Ad- Money on top of money on top of money…its power is obvious when one looks at the plaintive tone of the wall of e mails that most of us got begging in whimpering voices for support…..I think it is the game changer. I do. The game is shifting to a GOP high ground that will be very hard to assault.
murphthesurf3

7 days ago
What’s up Ad?
killgoretrout

7 days ago
KT – Well if you have to get stuck somewhere, that IS the place to be, even with winter on the way. Beautiful area.
choicelady

7 days ago
CL – That is very cool! Hey how about that as a doable agenda. Get the Progressive millionaires to finance propositions in states to make redistricting impartial?! That could fix a lot of these problems without needing a wave election.
adlib 7 days ago
I really am disgusted at how Dems turned their back on who I think history will show as a great President. I’m really steamed about that
pinkpantheroz

7 days ago
Pink, you aren’t the only one. Dems did a lot of damage to their brand on Tuesday night.
funksands

7 days ago
Murph – we can change overnight and get bold. We can take back the message immediately. It’s a choice. We can do it. Let’s push our elected Dems to MAKE THAT CHANGE.
choicelady

7 days ago
PPO – We are all with you on that!
choicelady

7 days ago
AdLib, I do appreciate your (consistent) optimism. I think these are times when we should be concerned, but not panicky or sunk in despair. If we keep putting out a rational and moral message… well, we still have hope. The only alternative is to hand the game over to them.
kesmarn

7 days ago
For sure CL. It’s just a beautiful place, no matter the season.
killgoretrout

7 days ago
From what I understand too many Dems stayed home in Maryland. And those ads Hogan ran non-stop about people being taxed to death must have won. The thing is people think Maryland is #1 in education by sheer luck. He’ll try to cut taxes, but it’ll be for the corporations. To make up for those cuts, Hogan will try to funding for education, infrastructure, etc. Dumbass people.
sabreen60

7 days ago
Kes, the problem with that is that the credibility of the DEMs is at rock bottom.
pinkpantheroz

7 days ago
CL – So true, had the Dems gotten behind the message of their positive agenda and accomplishments…and not turned on Obama, they could have had a strong pushback against Repubs.
adlib 7 days ago
Kes, I worry about individual legislation, but not about the GOP long term. They’ll go down eventually, I just don’t want them to break anything i the meantime
funksands

7 days ago
kes – George Lakoff always said that moral messages (families should be able to support themselves so let’s pay decent wages) do work. PBO knew that, has used that, has done what “West Wing” did in fiction. Only the Congress has wimped out there.
choicelady

7 days ago
I heard that only 1/3rd of the electorate voted. That’s just shameful.
killgoretrout

7 days ago
Let me say what has to happen…radicalize the Hispanic and Black base- every election. A big part of that is to get these folks registered with absolutely airtight ID and then animate them to get to the polls. In Ferguson, the black turnout was pitiful. Pitiful. What is it going to take? Then we have organize the women…organize not preach to or pretend we are convincing. Millions of women in groups dedicate to reproductive choice. And then there are the young…..
murphthesurf3

7 days ago
PPO and funk, I still have hope.
kesmarn

7 days ago
KT – that’s right.
choicelady

7 days ago
KT – Still pissed! I got an email from DCCC. Replied and pretty much told them to go suck an egg.
sabreen60

7 days ago
Murph – Yes. Right on the money.
choicelady

7 days ago
Yes, Kes, we gotta hang on to hope.
pinkpantheroz

7 days ago
Kes, the speed of it can be breathtaking. Or glacial depending on how many people get off their ass
funksands

7 days ago
KT, the national turnout about about 33%. I worked the polls in a very affluent area. Guess what the turnout was there? Over 60% That says it all.
kesmarn

7 days ago
Sabreen, you were more polite than I would have been! sunglasses
killgoretrout

7 days ago
It says quite a bit Homie.
killgoretrout

7 days ago
Bring on Compulsory registration and Voting!
pinkpantheroz

7 days ago
Murph – I disagree but you did put your finger on it. The sight of all these hostile Repub ads accompanied by cowardly Dems refusing to even admit they voted for Obama, made for a self-fulfilling defeat. But change the Dem part of that dynamic and have them fighting like they did in 2008 and 2012 for ideals and the outcome could have been very different. Money makes a difference but the last election cycle, in which SuperPACS were operating just as they were in this one, proves that more money does not assure victory.
adlib 7 days ago
Murph, I’d LOVE to hear an idea about how to get the young to the polls. They’re being disenfranchised in state legislatures too, but almost all of them don’t show up anyway
funksands

7 days ago
Those people showed up using canes, wheelchairs, oxygen, walkers, hearing aids…but –by God — they voted.
kesmarn

7 days ago
The wealthy, white power structure is scared. But, it’s only a matter of time before they can no longer hold onto their monopoly.
killgoretrout

7 days ago
Funk, make it so they can vote on Social Media! they can’t take their eyes of those little friggin screens!
pinkpantheroz

7 days ago
2Need a state legislature to pass that Pink
funksands

7 days ago
I saw a pie chart re TX. About 2.7 million voted for the Repub who won. 1.7 million voted for Wendy Davis; 85,000 for other and over 9 million eligible voters didn’t vote.
sabreen60

7 days ago
funk – we need citizens’ commissions on redistricting. Bi-partisan and committed to the Voting Rights Act provisions. It worked here in CA where, believe it or not, it was NOT a liberal thing but bipartisan in creation. That takes politicians OUT. Makes it more likely to be fair.
choicelady

7 days ago
Our turnout dropped from 51% in 2010 to 38% this year. Not sure why
funksands

7 days ago
The GOP will get too cocky and power drunk, and they’ll blow it for 2016.
killgoretrout

7 days ago
Ad…you can’t fight a fair fight if your ammo is depleted. The cycle stepped up the not for profit pecial interest group game in major ways. Ad, I think the game has changed and we cannot play it by their rules. If the Dems are going to win it will be as a true populist party and that will take massive 2 years organizing.
murphthesurf3

7 days ago
Sabreen, that’s staggering. Over 9,000,000 eligible voters didn’t vote in Texas!
kesmarn

7 days ago
Choice, for sure. We need to do that first, then publicly finance elections.
funksands

7 days ago
KT- I’m not sure they will blow it or will do so and blame PBO. They have Chuckie Todd et al. and control the message.
choicelady

7 days ago
KT, absolutely. These frickin clowns can’t be in charge.
funksands

7 days ago
KT…I keep hearing that it will only be a matter of time but what if you reshape the electoral process so that fewer and fewer of “THEM” vote then you fight off the shift for a long time.
murphthesurf3

7 days ago
That’s true CL, and very upsetting.
killgoretrout

7 days ago
funk – SCOTUS blew a huge hole in public finance in the McComish decision that really undermined that principle.
choicelady

7 days ago
Murph, it may take longer than that, but it has to happen
funksands

7 days ago
brb
funksands

7 days ago
Hey Murph, we’ll have to see that doesn’t happen.
killgoretrout

7 days ago
funk – if you’re going for a martini, bring some back please?
choicelady

7 days ago
BRB, too.
sabreen60

7 days ago
Murph – When you consider that only 1/3 of eligible voters voted, there is another avenue to pursue, activating a majority of the 66% of voters to vote Dem. Clearly, they are not motivated by the money the Repubs spent. So let’s think outside the box and fight fire with CO2 instead of fire.
adlib 7 days ago
AdLib – if we couldn’t move them now, how can we move them in not just 2016 but 2018?
choicelady

7 days ago
Welcome, blondannas!
pinkpantheroz

7 days ago
PPO!!! What is blondannas?
choicelady

7 days ago
A lot more people vote in a presidential election.
killgoretrout

7 days ago
Oh – it’s a PERSON! welcome, blondannas!
choicelady

7 days ago
She’s a newbie, I think check the sidebox
pinkpantheroz

7 days ago
PPO – just saw that, thanks. A bit slow these days.
choicelady

7 days ago
Blondannas is Ann Starke from Huff Po. Took time off after my husband died.
blondannas

7 days ago
Murph – I’m very disappointed in this election too but assuming that this year’s bad outcome is what will happen every election now is just playing into Repub propaganda. How many seats did the Kochs and Co. win in 2012? I think it’s best to look at the big picture and not get trapped in one election defining all future elections.
adlib 7 days ago
Hi Ann! Good to see you again.
funksands

7 days ago
Choice, olive or onion?
funksands

7 days ago
Ad…I just lost the third long comment I wrote tonight. So annoying.
murphthesurf3

7 days ago
Welcome, blondeannas. Most of us are ex-HPers.
pinkpantheroz

7 days ago
Murph, that sucks
funksands

7 days ago
blondannas – if you’re really in atascadero, I just spent two days there giving updates on our ballot propositions for CA. Welcome! Nice town that.
choicelady

7 days ago
Welcome blondanas! Sorry for your loss.
killgoretrout

7 days ago
Ann/Blondannas, very nice to have you at The Planet and here on Vox!
adlib 7 days ago
Don’t know if this has happened elsewhere in the country, but I have to say that in this area the GOP has done an amazing job of characterizing the Democratic party as the party of people who refuse to work, hate God, are incompetent, effeminate latte-drinking tree huggers who are afraid of ISIS. While the GOP are rugged, manly, gun-toting Christian patriots. It’s been remarkably effective.
kesmarn

7 days ago
Kes, that’s pretty much national
funksands

7 days ago
Hi blondannas!
sabreen60

7 days ago
Depressing, funk.
kesmarn

7 days ago
I think that it is important that Democrats, and Include myself in that group, that became disenchanted with the president for a while to put on our big person panties and support him as much as we can. Disappointment is not getting this country anywhere as is evident by the results in the debacle on Tuesday.
blondannas

7 days ago
Kes, they got it right, didnt they? smiley
pinkpantheroz

7 days ago
Fear is a powerful motivator.
killgoretrout

7 days ago
Ann, very well said.
funksands

7 days ago
blondannas – I’m so horribly sorry! Welcome to being with us. We feel for your loss.
choicelady

7 days ago
Murph – I had the same thing happen but I think your comments are posting, they’re just not showing up on your screen. Try closing then reopening your screen and I’ll bet you see them.
adlib 7 days ago
PPO, they’d love to think so!
kesmarn

7 days ago
Good to see you funksands. Glad to be back.
blondannas

7 days ago
Ad. It happened again.
murphthesurf3

7 days ago
Welcome, blondannas. Well said.
kesmarn

7 days ago
Let me repost the one I just wrote and copied just in case.
murphthesurf3

7 days ago
Murph, what browser are you using?
funksands

7 days ago
blondannas – WHY were you disenchanted with PBO? I see him as always doing the right thing.
choicelady

7 days ago
Ad…grow our base…I am for it but how? The key to democratic base was unions, riled up minorities and immigrant, a working class and the idealists. How many of them are left? The GP has solidified its base as ours has scattered.
murphthesurf3

7 days ago
kes, but if you don’t work how can you afford latte? And besides the southern red states are the poorest states in the country.
sabreen60

7 days ago
Murph – Did you see my comment about closing your Vox window? It may be a memorey or caching thing. Try closing and reopening the window and you should find all your comments posted.
adlib 7 days ago
Ad…I get a message “can’t send message now”
murphthesurf3

7 days ago
LOL! There you go — being logical, Sabreen!
kesmarn

7 days ago
Sabreen, that makes organizing difficult too. Hard to take off time to do that.
funksands

7 days ago
Murph – but we GOT your message!
choicelady

7 days ago
It’s a memory or caching thing, Murph. Close your browser than reopen, all should be well.
adlib 7 days ago
Well, a lot of us a couple of years ago, and that is when I was on before, were not too happy. Why? Hell, I don’t remember. But sometimes expectations can be killers and they serve very little purpose except to grow resentments.
blondannas

7 days ago
Yep, we’re seeing all your comments, Murph, even though you’re not.
adlib 7 days ago
Murph, log out and then back in. That might help.
killgoretrout

7 days ago
Murph I am so glad to see you and your comments again!
blondannas

7 days ago
I like the comment made by a late show host who said: ” If it was too much for you to stand in line to vote, I don’t want to see you camping outside Walmart during Thanksgiving!”
pinkpantheroz

7 days ago
Ann….how are you….long time no see!
murphthesurf3

7 days ago
Husband died in July 2012. Just coming out of stupor.
blondannas

7 days ago
blondannas – I guess I don’t expect leaders to be perfect OR always ‘up’ for us. I expect them to do good and moral things. I’ve never lost admiration for PBO because as a lobbyist, I don’thave the same expectations I guess.
choicelady

7 days ago
Well, kids. I think I’ll need to sign off for tonight. Hope you all have a great weekend. Better days are ahead.
kesmarn

7 days ago
Kes – That BS characterization of Dems and Repubs only lasts between cycles when Repubs don’t have power. Once they have power, they blow up their image and burnish the Dems’.
adlib 7 days ago
PPO….excellent line.
murphthesurf3

7 days ago
When I think of people in the Mid-East who risk life and limb to vote, these non-voting Americans make me sick.
killgoretrout

7 days ago
Night Kes, have a great weekend!
adlib 7 days ago
Ann…I am so sorry….welcome back…..
murphthesurf3

7 days ago
blondannas – I saved my husband in 2012. I know how close we came to his dying, so I’m really agonizing over your loss. I’m terribly sorry that happened.
choicelady

7 days ago
Have a great weekend Homie!
killgoretrout

7 days ago
Nite Kes
murphthesurf3

7 days ago
Good night, Kes. See you next week, Insh’allah
pinkpantheroz

7 days ago
good night kes! Great to see you!
choicelady

7 days ago
Murph, That’s true. The unions have been all but eliminated. I really have seen the numbers of how many black folks voted, but I am surprised that more didn’t show up because of the voter suppression laws/attempts.
sabreen60

7 days ago
Should have said have NOT seen
sabreen60

7 days ago
Ad….have you noticed the pages jumping to th bottom again? makes it hard to read.
murphthesurf3

7 days ago
I am hoping that the horror that might rain down with the prospect of the Republicants in charge might grant Hilary a landslide in 2016.
blondannas

7 days ago
Sabreen – our development director who is Black said a lot of her friends refused to vote because of how badly politicians had been to Obama. OK – that makes NO good sense, but they felt this was their protest.
choicelady

7 days ago
Ah kes you’re gone. Have a good night!
sabreen60

7 days ago
Thank you for your kind thoughts.
blondannas

7 days ago
Me too blondanas.
killgoretrout

7 days ago
Sabreen….that “bishop” in NC and the NAACP “moral mondays”…bad turnout….time to turn him out.
murphthesurf3

7 days ago
The truly moral thing to do is to participate in the democratic process.
killgoretrout

7 days ago
Well, mid-Saturday Arvo (afternoon) and I gotta go shopping. Take care all and see you next week.
pinkpantheroz

7 days ago
One thing to remember is that the majority of Americans have no idea any of this is going on. They have no interest either.
funksands

7 days ago
Choice…your friends friends are either stupid or they have been duped. I KNOW that we have a local black leader who gets very nice contracts in his business from the GOP….on the QT but he gets them….he works hard at public demonstrations and not at all on real education.
murphthesurf3

7 days ago
Murph – I sure wouldn’t turn out the Bishop!!! With NC voter supression, he did the best he could!
choicelady

7 days ago
Later PPO! Boost that economy!
killgoretrout

7 days ago
See ya Pink enjoy your beautiful Spring day!
funksands

7 days ago
good night PPO – or g’day to you!
choicelady

7 days ago
CL, That very well could be true. I know a lot of black folks are really pissed off with the Democrats in general. They feel that nobody had President Obama’s back. On the other hand you had stupid people like Tavis Smilely telling black folks not to vote. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. Voting rights already under siege but go ahead and disenfranchise yourself.
sabreen60

7 days ago
CL – Wow…sure hope that wasn’t the main reason, that another Dem demographic sat out the election to “send a message”. Elections aren’t texting, they give power to your adversaries when you don’t vote. Sorry but this goes back to my post about American voters being “dumb” and voting (or not voting) based primarily on emotion.
adlib 7 days ago
Seeya PPO!
adlib 7 days ago
Murph – it’s an ignorant response, but it’s almost universal among many people. Don’t vote. Send a message. Never thinking that you just ‘voted’ for the WORST alternatives.
choicelady

7 days ago
Nite PPO! Take care.
sabreen60

7 days ago
I think that our president will begin enjoying a new wave of support across the country. I talked to a woman in Kentucky (a customer service person for a bank which shall be anonymous) and asked her what the hell happened th emet they actually reelected the turtle. Of course I did use his name. Sweet little thing, she didn’t know what to say.
blondannas

7 days ago
AdLib – but how many people think a vote is equivalent to “unfriending” someone onFacebook to bring them around??? It’s no coincidence that back inthe ’70s the first thing to go in ‘education reform’ was Civics.
choicelady

7 days ago
Smiley is a vindictive twit. He wants Pres. Obama to fail as much as Rush Limbaugh because he felt slighted by them. What a douche.
adlib 7 days ago
It’s happening again.
murphthesurf3

7 days ago
Well my “lizard” brain wants to believe that the voting machines were hacked. I’d rather believe that than people are this stupid, lazy and racist.
sabreen60

7 days ago
CL…I have a good and trusted friend in NC who says the Bishop is All Show and No Go. Since Election Night he has been invisible. He knows the truth.
murphthesurf3

7 days ago
Of course it is racist. It has been since 2008. Sad but true. Sick but this country has not come as far as we would like to think.
blondannas

7 days ago
Hey Murph/Choice, maybe this is where the good rev is spending his time: http://www.nationcruise.com
funksands

7 days ago
blondannas, I do think you’re right, the more under seige he is by the radical Repubs in Congress, the more I think people will rally to him. He’ll be standing up to protect the majority of Americans as Repubs hammer him to help the 1%. In a way, this had to happen and may not be for the worst in the long run (but the next two years won’t be pleasant).
adlib 7 days ago
I think we’re going backwards blondanas.
killgoretrout

7 days ago
So do I.
blondannas

7 days ago
Yeah AdLib and his BFF Cornball West.
sabreen60

7 days ago
Funk….that is what I am talking about….these “celebrities from the left” kick them in the ass on the way out the door
murphthesurf3

7 days ago
Racism never really subsided. It just went underground for a while and is now back with a vengence.
killgoretrout

7 days ago
Sabreen!! open_mouth Dr. West is crticial to our nation’s survival!
funksands

7 days ago
CL – Sure sounds like a lot of Dems used the election to “unfriend” Dems for not supporting Obama. Brilliant, they think Dems weren’t nise to them, wait till they see how the radical Repubs they let take over treat Obama. Dumb.
adlib 7 days ago
Funk, I’m kinda lost. What did Rev do or not do?
sabreen60

7 days ago
Ann…I do hope you are correct but I have lost faith in the willingness of almost anyone I know to go beyond the words of the loudest and natiest voices in the room.
murphthesurf3

7 days ago
Ad, exactly. The only people I’m more mad at than the ones that didn’t show up to vote are the ones that got their nose out of joint and “refuse to ever support this cowardly party ever again!”
funksands

7 days ago
Sabreen – Yep, West is a jerk too. Same story, he and Smiley thought that when Obma was elected, they should be given sleepover rights at the WH and when Obama didn’t become their BFF, they turned on him like bratty 13 year olds. What childish, small minded men.
adlib 7 days ago
Funk, I’ve Corny for 40 years. Never known him to do a thing for poor people. But he rakes in the dough for his speeches.
sabreen60

7 days ago
Click on the link. He’s crusin with The Nation!
funksands

7 days ago
AdLib – it ISN’Tsmart, but the one thing the GOP has we do not is discipline. They vote, they vote their party, they don’t break ranks. We are possessed of a belief we are special little snowflakes who are owed…something. And we pout rather than vote.
choicelady

7 days ago
Chris Murph, Ct. Senator, has been out in front on a lot of this and he is speaking very strongly for the need to refound the Democratic Party.
murphthesurf3

7 days ago
Funk, What is about fame that makes people forget their true advocacy?
sabreen60

7 days ago
Sabreen, EGO!
killgoretrout

7 days ago
And folks, what about Hillary holding back from financially supporting the Dems this year. She may have campaigned for many…whose support she wanted when she runs for President but remember, she declared she would sit on a huge mountain of cash and not use any of it to help anyone else.
adlib 7 days ago
Fame
funksands

7 days ago
Did she really say that? Or was this attributed to her by a third party.
blondannas

7 days ago
AdLib, I hope the fact that Hogan won here in Maryland will not stop O’Malley from throwing his hat in ring during the primaries. He’s got my vote.
sabreen60

7 days ago
Sabreen, he’s a good dude
funksands

7 days ago
Fame=drug, huh?
sabreen60

7 days ago
Sabreen, I think they feel they’ve risen above the toils and troubles of those they used to be a part of.
killgoretrout

7 days ago
Sabreen – I am every so grateful for your bringing O’Malley to my awareness.
choicelady

7 days ago
CL – The Repubs are an authoritarian organization so it’s natural that they will always be the party of lockstep and mindless following. Dems simply can’t compete at that because Dems have minds and are not seeking an authority to follow. We have to use our strengths, our diversity and creativity to battle the Borgs (not become Borgs ourselves).
adlib 7 days ago
we have a local black minister in my corner of rural Mo. who pastors three small churches in an area that came into existence post Civil War. Every mayor in the area is afraid of him. Why? He gets his people to vote….and he has trained generations of leaders who have held onto the need to hold their families together, work hard, and make demands on themselves. He does not have good words for most national black leaders at all.
murphthesurf3

7 days ago
What is his political affiliation?
blondannas

7 days ago
Funk, He’s a real good dude. I still can’t figure how how Hogan won here. Maryland is really blue. We have some pockets of red, but mostly blue.
sabreen60

7 days ago
Ann….who were you addressing.
murphthesurf3

7 days ago
kes, So Fame and ego = drug addict.
sabreen60

7 days ago
You, Murph
blondannas

7 days ago
Well folks, it’s been a long day and I’ve got to rest the old grey matter for a while. Hope to see you on the Music Thread tomorrow! Take care, all.
killgoretrout

7 days ago
Sabreen – Hate to say it but I do think O’Malley’s loss may have taken him out of the 2016 Presidential race. It’s not fair but when you lose an election, you’re stigmatized (as a Dem, Repubs love losers) and the key thing is to be able to fundraise. That can be hard after you’ve lost your office, you can look like damaged goods. It all depends on if he can still be successful at fundraising.
adlib 7 days ago
See you then KT, sleep well!
adlib 7 days ago
You too Ad.
killgoretrout

7 days ago
Sabreen: Taxes. Voters felt nickeled and dimed
funksands

7 days ago
Ann, O’Malley is the former Democratic Governor of Maryland
funksands

7 days ago
AdLib -yes the GOP can be authoritarian. But LOYALTY is not a partisan trait. We have a 2-party system, and the Left folks have been just as willing to let others feed them their views as the Right. So the Right remains loyal, the Left thinks each is a precious little snowflake, and we have massive turnout on one hand (R) and sniffy disdain on the other (L) The folks in between have been duped because there has been NO voice from the left hand side other than PBO who is often muzzled.
choicelady

7 days ago
Night KT!
funksands

7 days ago
Ann, the minister urges his people to look for who best represents them and their needs…..my county used to be Dem and is now GOP so his folk tend to vote GOP on the local level and Dem on the State and National Level. He has organized education campaigns to lay out the choices. It works
murphthesurf3

7 days ago
Sounds like a good man.
blondannas

7 days ago
“Night KT!!!
choicelady

7 days ago
CL, I know he doesn’t have the name recognition, but I’m hopeful. You have some idiots in Maryland who complained about taxes, but damn. Great schools, strict gun laws, marriage equality, infrastructure projects, etc. And they vote for a RWNJ. smh
sabreen60

7 days ago
Sabreen it literally was the “Rain Tax”
funksands

7 days ago
Nite KT. Take care!
sabreen60

7 days ago
At least that was the overwhelming consensus in exit polling
funksands

7 days ago
Funk, I thought the ad that showed everything being taxed including children’s backpacks was silly. But I guess it worked.
sabreen60

7 days ago
Choice, that was very well said! Hear Hear!
funksands

7 days ago
Sabreen – you can’t fix stupid. But I am paying serious attention to O’Malley who was just declared a potential presidential candidate on MSNBC so he IS getting attention beyond this blog!
choicelady

7 days ago
President Obama has a great record but it has been hogtied by the policies of the Republicants and the 1% who do not share the wealth. The economy may be great but, face it, the middle-class isn’t seeing the fruits of the prosperity. This is the problem.
blondannas

7 days ago
Thank you, funk!
choicelady

7 days ago
Looks like it Sabreen. I’m far from an expert on MD politics, this is just from local articles I’ve been browsing.
funksands

7 days ago
AdLib, O’Malley didn’t lose cuz he wasn’t running. We have term limits here in Maryland and he termed out. Anthony Brown lost. Of course, O’Malley and President Obama backed him. I don’t know if race also was a factor. After all Maryland voted for PBO twice. But Hogan portrayed, in fact, call Brown “2nd string”.
sabreen60

7 days ago
blondannas – I know they are not getting PAID well enough, but that is entirely, in this system, a matter of capitalism. The government cannot dictate wages other than at the minimum level. So why are people outside of the trust fund babies in Occupy NOT rising against the corporate oppression? PBO has done what he is legally allowed to do. He cannot make capital pay labor what it is worth.
choicelady

7 days ago
CL – The character flaw of some on The Left is the need to LOOK independently minded and principled instead of just being it. So they loudly attacked Obama for not being perfect, they agreed with Repubs on Obama and his agenda being wrong for America then they don’t turn out to support Dems and Obama. Instead of dumb, let’s just call these folks guilty of hubris and ignorant because of it. When you add votes up, a vote for a Repub equals one for him/her. A vote not made for a Dem also adds one more for the Repub because instead of countering that vote, another Dem vote is needed just to tie it. So by not voting Dem because they think Obama hasn’t been Progressive enough, they are de facto voting for a Repub who is light years farther away from them politically.
adlib 7 days ago
Ad, really good points. Folks, I am beat. I’m gong to turn in for now. Have a great weekend!!
funksands

7 days ago
AdLib – yup. That’s exactly the issue, and we can’t move the precious left to get that principle.
choicelady

7 days ago
Good night, funk!!! Sweet dreams.
choicelady

7 days ago
Good night Funk
murphthesurf3

7 days ago
I totally agree. I would never condone voting against the president. I just remembered (DUH) one of the reasons why people were getting upset a couple of years ago. Have patience with me. Part of grief is a serious loss of memory! LOL
blondannas

7 days ago
Sabreen – Sorry, my bad! Right, O’Malley termed out! Whole other story then! I did hear some pudnits trying to dump on his prospects because Brown lost and was hisguy but that’s just blather. Scratch my comment about O’Malley!
adlib 7 days ago
Night Funk! Best to the family!
adlib 7 days ago
Nite Funk. Enjoy your weekend, too.
sabreen60

7 days ago
Blondanna – that actually is true. Grief overwhelms. It’s OK. We’re here for you!
choicelady

7 days ago
Well all, once again the rough and ready schedule I’m keeping has done me in. I am following funk out the door. Be well everyone and keep the faith!
choicelady

7 days ago
Thank you! choice lady! So glad to have a place to come to discuss and have fun.
blondannas

7 days ago
CL – What happens when Repubs gain power is that the anti-Obama Dems will recede back into the party, united with other Dems against Repubs who will have taken the spotlight away from Obama. Seen this time and again, a mutual enemy like Bush and a Repub Congress unite and energize Dems, when Dems have power, they turn on themselves.
adlib 7 days ago
Boehner and McConnell are already threatening the President and telling him what he better not do. I hope he writes a gazillion EO’s and has as many veto pens. Let them bring on impeachment. Maybe folks will wake up.
sabreen60

7 days ago
Night CL! We need to catch up!!!
adlib 7 days ago
Good night CL. Take care and will see you around!
sabreen60

7 days ago
Sabreen – I am so with you, Boehner’s threat is so empty, the last thing they want is to attack Obama for getting things done, especially on immigration, and using their time in Congress to impeach a President who can’t be removed by the Senate because there aren’t enough votes for a 2/3 majority.
adlib 7 days ago
And if Obama was removed, though it’s not possible, we’d have President Biden, just as big of a nightmare for Repubs!
adlib 7 days ago
Did you notice how hard, how disrespectful the questioning of Obama was compared with McConnell and Boehner. My trust of the media is falling fast. A word about MSNBC and the rest. More and more I beleive that Big Money has coopted Big Media. I have been keeping track of how much (or how little) the money issue is discussed.
murphthesurf3

7 days ago
Murph, I haven’t trusted the media for a long time. The WHPC are hyenas. They disrespect President Obama at will. MSNBC is owned by Comcast who has a RWNJ CO
sabreen60

7 days ago
Why does Obama take it. I say, do not call on those who treat him in that way. Boehner walks out them. McConnell laughs them off.
murphthesurf3

7 days ago
This is going to be fun to watch. Boehner and McConnell are going to overstep and it is going to be blood in the water. People are going to see the ramifications of what they have done. Of course, not many are going to pay attention, and even fewer will understand.
blondannas

7 days ago
Murph – I have been boycotting MSNBC so I didn’t see that but it’s part of my reason for boycotting them. They are a corrupt, corporate-driven channel that is a faux-left channel, pushing the corporate agenda most of the time with token Progressive hosts. Kes mentioned the same thing about the total blackout on news about the billions spent secretly on the election. They are collaborators with the Koch machine in this way (and now show pro-Koch ads).
adlib 7 days ago
Oops! RWNJ CEO. Everybody except for Rev Al has been bashing President Obama for 2 years and some longer. And they all think they can tell him what to do and when he should do. They’ve been wrong so many times and not one has admitted it. I am so over the MSM.
sabreen60

7 days ago
Murph – Because Obama has principles and the others don’t.
adlib 7 days ago
Ad…but it is seen as pandering and they laugh at him. With only two years left…I say go for broke. Control the conferences.
murphthesurf3

7 days ago
blondannas, I think you’re right. The Tea Party Repubs are ready to take over now and Boehner and McConnell may try to stay ahead of them but they smell blood in the water. The TP Repubs will push hard for impeachment and if Obama is clever, and he is, he should issue lots of important EOs to stoke that conflict.
adlib 7 days ago
Ad LIb….part of my go for broke approach…EO’s…..
murphthesurf3

7 days ago
AdLib, What I don’t understand is why did people vote to increase min wage, etc. and still vote for Republicans. Could they really be that stupid?
sabreen60

7 days ago
Sab….yes….uninformed, misinformed
murphthesurf3

7 days ago
Murph – What I think when I see that going on is racism, pure and simple. The first black President feels enormous pressure to come off as confident, open and assured as he can and the press seem to recognize that because of this, they can diss him publicly and not have him slap them down as the “angry black President”. Such an undercurrent of racism in the way the MSM treats Obama, never have seen it with any other President including the worst in our lifetime, Bush.
adlib 7 days ago
Murph – right with you on going full metal EOs!
adlib 7 days ago
I am not suggesting angry. I am saying – do not call on them. Their stations lie about him. Say nothing, make them and their outlets non-persons.
murphthesurf3

7 days ago
Of course the MSM is bought and paid for. This is nothing new. The far left is not happy with him because every homeless person doesn’t have a home. The peaceniks are upset because we have to defend against evil like ISIS, and the moderates just are unhappy because everyone else is. The only ones who support him are those of us who see the big picture and understand how the reality works and the limitations of a checks and balances system, especially with a do-nothing Congress the likes of which not seen in I don’t know how long.
blondannas

7 days ago
Ann…very well said…glad I stuck around for that comment….
murphthesurf3

7 days ago
Sabreen – My theory is that these voters voted on their emotions alone. They’re mad at our government for not helping them so they voted against Obama by voting for Repubs. They’re upset and stressed about how little they’re paid so they voted for the minimum wage. It’s all about their feelings, not any bigger picture. Personally, I hate such narrow minded voters yet sometimes they vote the way we want them to.
adlib 7 days ago
Thank you, Murph!
blondannas

7 days ago
I agree 100% AdLib. I was young, but I don’t even remember the press disrespecting the crook Nixon like they have PBO. But you know I’ve always thought of PBO in the same light as Jackie Robinson. He’s got the right temperament. Robinson took so much shit from the spectators and never lost his cool. PBO has not become the “angry black man” that they’re waiting for. Personally, he could tell everybody to fuckoff at this point and I’d be right their with him.
sabreen60

7 days ago
Ad…let me add to that….SO many have NO idea how government works. President equals King. Obama is responsible for it all. And despite the House and Senate being in GOP hands I wonder if their mistaken belief will hold on given that the GOP reinforces it at every turn.
murphthesurf3

7 days ago
Murph – I get what you’re saying but remember when he wouldn’t call on Fox News people, he was attacked as angry and vindictive. Whatebver he does, if he doesn’t accede to the MSM’s rude questioning, he will be portrayed in some way as an angry black man. Not saying that he should care about that now but I’d bet that’s on his mind.
adlib 7 days ago
Ann, good points. I do think that as Repubs take centerstage, the far Left and moderates will gravitate back to a unity with Dems in response to a mutual enemy. But up until now, you’ve had these short term thinkers undermining their futures.
adlib 7 days ago
AdLib, I don’t know about the young folks, but we took civics and government in high school. So people my age should at least have some idea of how the government works. Oh wait….They can’t even remember what happened last year. Never mind.
sabreen60

7 days ago
Wait a minute! Speak for yourself, AdLib! LOL. I can remember last year. Its five minutes ago that is the problem! (not really)
blondannas

7 days ago
Sabreen, right with you on all you said. I too recognize that Jackie Robinson sensibility in him, refusing to take the bait and get upset or act in a way that would validate the racist portrayals of who he really is. Makes me angry that the press itself could have such a powerful racist undercurrent towards our President.
adlib 7 days ago
AdLib, People want instant gratification. I heard it said, once again that PBO had majorities in both houses for TWO years. They said this on TV like it was the truth and nothing but the truth. I’m really tired of the lies and willfully misinforming people.
sabreen60

7 days ago
Murph – You nailed it! Indeed, both the whiners on the far Left who have incessantly attacked Obama and the ignorant voters in the middle and left all see the President and his party as in charge and controlling everything. That ignorance brings about votes like this year’s.
adlib 7 days ago
Well, it’s getting late folks. Think I’ll call it a night. Take care everyone until we meet again sleeping
sabreen60

7 days ago
Ad…let them call him angry and vindictive, they do anyway. Take NO questions from them. Grant no interviews to them. Make that clear to your cabinet as well. Do to them what the GOP does.
murphthesurf3

7 days ago
Nite Sabreen
murphthesurf3

7 days ago
Sabreen, they often poll the public on basic civics, all up and down the age scale and most Americans don’t know much about our government. A huge majority can’t name the VP, Speaker or Majority Leader, not one SCOTUS member nor can they list the branches of government…or how many there are. Americans love saying we’re the greatest democracy and most have no clue what a democracy is except “great”.
adlib 7 days ago
Night Sabreen, have a great weekend!
adlib 7 days ago
Murph – I’m fine with that, I just think he’s not.
adlib 7 days ago
Ad…there was a time when civics and civic tests required for graduation from grade and high school were the norm. Now only five states require them.
murphthesurf3

7 days ago
I do anticipate that Obama will use his last two years to get done all he can by EO and not allow any poisonous GOP bills to pass. But I do worry about passage of the TPP.
adlib 7 days ago
Murph – Some democracy…where we don’t even teach our kids about democracy. And we’re the greatest? How would any of them know?
adlib 7 days ago
Murph – Check out these poll results from April: While little more than a third of respondents (36 percent) could name all three branches of the U.S. government, just as many (35 percent) could not name a single one. Just over a quarter of Americans (27 percent) know it takes a two-thirds vote of the House and Senate to override a presidential veto. One in five Americans (21 percent) incorrectly thinks that a 5-4 Supreme Court decision is sent back to Congress for reconsideration.

adlib 7 days ago
Holy mackeral!
adlib 7 days ago
Well, it’s about that time to close up the Vox Bar for the night! Thanks to all for making it another rousing Friday night! Wishing everyone a good night and a great weekend! See you here next Friday night at 7 PST!
adlib 7 days ago
Goodnight all.
murphthesurf3

7 days ago

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