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AdLib On August - 5 - 2013

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The BBC’s investigative series, Panorama, broadcast tonight an investigation into the Boston Marathon bombers, Tamerlan and Dzhokhar Tsarnaev and it paints a picture of Tamerlan as having more in common with the GOP Right Wing and the Tea Party than Islam.

Tamerlan Tsarnaev subscribed to publications espousing white supremacy and government conspiracy theories.

(He)…possessed articles which argued that both 9/11 and the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing were government conspiracies.

Another in his possession was about “the rape of our gun rights”.

Reading material he had about white supremacy commented that “Hitler had a point”.

Sounds more like the decor of Rep. Steve King’s vacation home on the Isle of White.

The documentary paints a picture of Tamerlan, the driving force of the bombing, as being very much like many of those Right Wingers who joined the Tea Party, an angry man who blamed and hated the government and minorities for the difficulties life had brought him. Apparently, what set him off on this terrible path was that his aspirations for a career in boxing were hampered by his not being a citizen. Sadly ironic that the GOP’s opposition to immigration reform is that making immigrants citizens would endanger America.

Many in the Tea Party have the identical mindset, their dreams for the future have been destroyed (by the economic policies of the GOP, the party they support!) and they blame government and minorities for it. To be clear, the path these people have chosen is to express their racism and hatred of government publicly as opposed to killing others so they are not identical to Tamerlan. At the same time, they are soulmates and they share a central motivation of hatred of our government and minorities (in the Panorama piece, a spokesperson for the Mosque Tamerlan attended described him as just an angry man who was “just a Muslim of convenience.”)

At the heart of terrorism, whether it is physical, violent terrorism as the Tsarnaev brothers exhibited or political terrorism, as the Tea Party GOP has exhibited in supporting budget and debt ceiling extortion of the nation (and might again), it is an internal, intense anger over their own impotence. Such people feel unable to change the disappointment or desperation in their lives and the resulting hostility pushes them to believe in hateful things and act in hateful ways.

Why is there a convergence of 9/11 Truthers and Tea Partiers? And Birthers? In general, such people need constant affirmation for their hatred of government so with every event that happens, from Benghazi to IRS investigations, the government (and GOP political adversaries, the Dems) needs to be an evil genius behind everything bad that happens…because they’re evil of course.

And white supremacy goes hand in hand with hating the government that protects the rights of non-white Americans “as if they were equals”. Remember Rand Paul’s interview with Rachel Maddow where he insisted that the Civil Rights Act was unconstitutional because it interfered with business owners’ freedom to practice racism? And he may be the GOPTea Party’s Presidential nominee in 2016.

Yes, Tamerlan hated the U.S. Government, the same U.S. government that many in the Tea Party hate. they are BFFs on that. Tamerlan subscribed to magazines for right wing extremists and white supremacists, just like some Tea Party members do. Tamerlan believed his hatreds were righteous and hurting others because of it was just too bad for them. Tea Party members support the GOP’s many actions to legislate prejudice against Latinos, make it legal to murder black teenagers coming home from the store, threaten the futures of millions of Americans by blocking the ability of government to function and work to take health care away from 30 million Americans, many of whom would die prematurely if they succeeded.

Don’t expect Fox News or the Right Wing Bloggers to acknowledge any part of Panorama’s investigation, they always seem to ignore or distract from any news that undermines the holiness of the hatred they push but as they continue spouting their anger at government and against minorities, keep in mind that Tamerlan might be looking on and nodding in agreement.

Written by AdLib

My motto is, "It is better to have blogged and lost hours of your day, than never to have blogged at all."

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  1. Itchybiscuit says:

    Here we go folks, the Panorama programme.


    • Assumed Name says:

      (I *really* wish people would stop referring to the younger brother as a “kid”--he’s a killer.)

    • Assumed Name says:

      Excellent, Itchy.

    • AdLib says:

      Fantastic Itchybiscuit, thanks so much for posting this! Watched this and the other Panorama show you posted, both are well done. Though the reasons for his becoming a terrorist are more complex, involving his mother, growing up in Chechnya and more, it all does seem to boil down to his anger at not being able to have the future he wanted in America and blaming the government for it.

      As for the other episode, it is just as wrenching to relive what happened in Newtown but what makes watching the show even more sorrowful is that it was made before the Repubs killed all the gun control bills so the mentions of what Obama and the Dems were championing, with overwhelming public support, is quite discouraging.

    • kesmarn says:

      Thanks Itchy!

  2. Itchybiscuit says:

    This is related -- I hope you guys can see it.


  3. Assumed Name says:

    AdLib,

    I’d like to see the report but the BBC video stream isn’t available in the US via BBC. If it repeats on television, or if you find the 30 minute program or a few segments elsewhere on the web (I couldn’t after a cursory search), please let us know. (The mixture of American white supremacy and increased willingness to use violence as politics is mind blowing…without intending to sound paranoid, we are closer to Hitler’s Germany than many realize.)

    --Assumed

  4. kesmarn says:

    AdLib, I’m going to make a point of watching that BBC documentary now.

    You may have seen this video made by the police chief (!?!?!?) of Gilberton, Pennsylvania, Mark Kessler. {{Strong language alert}} How different is the “head” that this RW extremist is in from the frame of mind of the Tsarnaev brothers? There’s hardly any daylight between them, in many ways, as far as I can see. Anarchy is anarchy.


    • Wow, major, major nutjob! These morons have no concept of the social contract.

      He may think he’s a real badass, but if the government came for him, they would get him. Most likely, he would be killed in the process. He kind of reminds me of Bush telling al Qaida to “bring it on.” One of the dumbest comments ever made by a sitting US president.

      • kesmarn says:

        KT and friends, if your stomachs are strong enough, you can watch this video of his “apology” for the first video. Total arrogance. Definitely comparable to the Bush “bring it” statement:


        • This guy is certifiably insane, and I mean that literally. There is no way he should be in law enforcement, let alone hold the rank of chief! Nice job FOX and Limbaugh and Palin. This whacko sounds like he just can’t wait to shoot someone. He belongs in a rubber room with a locked door.

          • kesmarn says:

            Agreed, KT. I wonder if the town could insist on a psych eval before the 30 day suspension is up, and then use the results of that to get him out of that job before he really hurts someone.

        • Kalima says:

          One arsehole against how many? Roid rage or insanity. For this he should be sacked, he’s a danger to the whole community. If he carries on like this hopefully he will be arrested for something or other soon. I bet he’s being watched.

          • kesmarn says:

            As well he should be, Kalima. As Assumed said, this town will be held responsible for whatever he does when (not if) he totally snaps. They’d better do a pre-emptive sacking while they still can. :-(

            • kes, I agree, but that might be the thin straw that breaks the camel’s back. I think he should sacked and locked up for mental health observation. Preferably for the next 20 or 30 years. But, we don’t do that in America, but with this cement head, it sure is tempting.

            • Kalima says:

              Well I can think of a few things already. Endangering wildlife. Littering with shell casings, and then there were the threats against the government and those who found his off the wall first video disgusting.

              As I said, he’s a real idiot posting that ridiculous video on YouTube because now he really is being watched by the Feds. Straightjacket and Prozac might be the next step for him. What a waste of precious oxygen.

      • AdLib says:

        KT -- I made a similar comment although I’d bet the true cowardice and insecurity in these types would take over and they’d soil their pants as they anxiously handed over their guns.

        They display the bravado of overcompensating cowards.

    • Itchybiscuit says:

      Middle aged, no hair, big gun.

      I rest my case.

        • Itchybiscuit says:

          He knows his audience well. No need for complicated messages nor big words. Throw in some anger and expletives and it’s mission accomplished. It’s a good analogy calling these people the American Taliban because they’re just as intolerant but over different things. I know Taliban means ‘student’ but the word has come to mean something else over the years.

          They don’t mind dying in a hail of bullets -- Bonnie and Clyde or Alamo style (all the while returning fire) -- but they think blowing themselves up to make a political statement would be wrong. There’s a disconnect there in so many ways.

          • AdLib says:

            Itchybiscuit, very true, these types are so adolescent they really do see themselves as being like fictional movie characters so they act the part on videos, blogs, anywhere they can actually hide from real conflict.

            Why didn’t they join the army and make a career of it if they really think they’re Rambo? Because of course they have the minds of deluded children and the fictional bravery of their fictional heroes.

          • AdLib says:

            Itchybiscuit, I also wonder if this is the courage of cowards who can talk so bravely into a video camera and shoot assault weapons into bushes but if a tank rolled up to his trailer home to take his guns away as his paranoid fantasy goes, I’d bet he’d wet his pants and hand it right over.

            • Itchybiscuit says:

              Aye, a cyber-toughguy to be sure.

              I’ve come across hundreds via Youtube. There are zero consequences for their tough talk so they feel free to call everyone names and threaten all sorts of violence from the safety of their keyboard. I’ll bet he watches Chuck Norris movies on a loop. 😉

    • Assumed Name says:

      He’s in Pennsylvania? (I swear he’s dressed for a Michigan Militia meeting.)

      • kesmarn says:

        He does look like that, Assumed. It seems that a number of these types would rather look like special forces military men than Sheriff Andy Taylor of Mayberry; that’s for sure.

        • AdLib says:

          Kes, at least he’s had some punishment for making this video but he remains defiant about being batshit crazy and is still their police chief:

          Pa. police chief suspended after video profanities

          A small-town police chief who appears in online videos using profanity and shooting automatic weapons has been suspended for 30 days without pay.

          The borough council of Gilberton voted 5-1 at a meeting Wednesday night to suspend Chief Mark Kessler, saying he misused borough property. It said he used the weapons without permission.

          He said after the meeting that he wouldn’t apologize for making the videos and didn’t regret having done so. He said he looked forward to getting back to work after the suspension.

          http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/07/31/3534906/pa-police-chief-suspended-after.html

          • It’s really disturbing that a guy like this in in law enforcement. He sounds like a law breaker to me.

            • AdLib says:

              He’s a cop for the power, not to serve the people. If it walks like a criminal and is a quack like a criminal…

          • kesmarn says:

            It’s a relief to hear that they did something, AdLib, however little it was. Thanks much for the latest info. If this guy ends up keeping his job, everyone would do well to drive miles around Gilberton, PA to avoid an encounter!

            • AdLib says:

              Kes, you sure don’t want this nut job stopping you for a traffic infraction, especially if you’re not a white male RW nut job.

          • Assumed Name says:

            …he’s a loose cannon and should be dismissed. (If he acts on his words, the small town will be liable and rightly so.)

            • AdLib says:

              Assumed, I don’t know how complicated it would be for them to fire him but hope they’re moving down that path for the reasons you mention and out of decency.

              That may be happening:

              Gilberton Mayor Mary Lou Hannon has said she found the language in the videos offensive and she understood that others did as well.

              “I think it’s blackened our eye a little, but we are a strong community,” Hannon said after the meeting. “We will go on from here.”

              http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/07/31/3534906/pa-police-chief-suspended-after.html

    • Kalima says:

      Good Lord kes, absolutely clueless as this treaty has nothing whatsoever to do with gun sales or owning a gun in America. It has to do with what is exported to other countries. So “uck you” too you ignorant moron, and stop taking orders from the criminals in the NSA. Of course the gun manufacturers make money from secret deals to rebels in other counties like trouble spots in Africa.

      Domestic terrorism in the making. No facts, no truths just anger for nothing. Sickening.

      • kesmarn says:

        So true, Kalima. That UN treaty is totally unrelated to his alleged “cause.” This is where RW radio broadcasts (and FOX-type “news” sources) come in, I think. They get these types cranked up on false paranoia (because they want to sell them gold at inflated prices and dehydrated “survival food” packages and guns) and then turn them loose.

        The fact that this man is in a position of authority in PA is genuinely frightening. Wouldn’t you hate to get on his bad side?

        Domestic terrorism is the same phrase that occurred to me, too. There Tsarnaev brothers had reached the same fever pitch of anger — apparently inspired by info from many of the same sources.

      • AdLib says:

        Kalima, in the mind of the ignorant gun nuts like this guy, patriotism is a willingness to put your own paranoia and insecurity (needing lots of guns) first and put sanity and the well being of the nation last.

        Oh, and a willingness to threaten to murder Americans who are in our military. Hmm, guess that makes Al Qaeda just as patriotic as Sheriff Bagger.

        • Kalima says:

          Well I think there were only two sentences on that piece of paper and he seemed to have trouble with just reading that. To anyone sane watching who knows the details about the actual UN treaty, the rant and ending of this video was embarrassing and ridiculous. Men like this need a course of oestrogen therapy. He has no idea of how stupid he looked firing off his gun. Yes, Al Qaida would welcome him with open arms and recruit him. A’hole!

          A comment on this article along with many ignorant others are worth reading if only just for the denial of so many R. Wingers.

          Gino:
          “Did he realize he was not white…LOL”

          Me: (Not there if course)
          Hey LOL!! He was white you ignoramus.

          —-

          Tamerlan Tsarnaev ‘subscribed to publications espousing white supremacy,’ BBC reports

          http://news.yahoo.com/tamerlan-tsarnaev-white-supremacy-government-conspiracy-theories-143709460.html

    • AdLib says:

      Kes, you’re right, it’s hard to see the difference between terrorists who threaten to kill others for their jihad or this Sheriff Bagger who threatens to kill others for his jihad.

      Both show that they think their beliefs justify murdering others and both are deluded (the UN agreement wouldn’t regulate a single gun in America, it’s an attempt to keep black market military-type guns out of third world nations.

      Of course, this lunatic seems to be an argument that America is a third world nation.

      • I’ll bet this maniac considers himself a Christian too.

      • kesmarn says:

        Exactly, AdLib. “Conform to my world view or die,” is the message from both. And they declare themselves the law, the judge, the jury and the executioner. The scary thing is that Sheriff Bagger is regarded by some as a patriot.

        • AdLib says:

          Hey Kes, you nailed it! Put that on a bumper sticker and no matter how many print, you would sell out if you advertised to the Tea Party (maybe take an ad in The Daily Illiterate?)

          I’m sure the same people who see Sheriff Bagger as a patriot also see George Zimmerman as a hero (and Martin Luther King as a commie).

  5. Carmen says:

    That’s some good shite yer talkin’ there, Itchy. Scary but good.

    • AdLib says:

      Hey Carmen! It is scary but at the same time, with the RW exposing what lunatics and hateful people they are, maybe it makes it less likely that they will gain greater power and more likely that they will lose the power they have today?

  6. Nirek says:

    Adlib, if these people hate America so much , why don’t they leave?

    • AdLib says:

      Hey Nirek! In their mind, they ARE America and all those Americans who aren’t white are squatting on the land their descendents stole fair and square.

      They think most people in America think like them, they are clueless in so many ways including this one.

  7. Itchybiscuit says:

    I watched this earlier and it would seem that the political and law enforcement classes in America don’t want to accept the obvious if it flies in the face of their current mindset(s). The Muslims are ‘other’. They don’t believe in the right god. They don’t wear the same clothes or pray in the same way. They look ‘funny’. They kill Americans in their strange foreign lands ferchrissakes! And above all, they’re jealous of your freedoms -- that’s why they moved to America in the first place. Yes, they hate it (NOT my twisted logic -- I’ve heard it all too many times from those on the right). In order to continue funding the MIC which now seems to include law enforcement, a certain level of fear needs to be maintained.

    Could it be that there’s no money in feeling safe? No jobs for the boys doing consulting work when their current government tenures have expired? From my perch on the outside they seem to know that they and their families will have nothing to fear from the surveillance state because they’re known commodities. They’re identifiable ‘patriots’. Not so the ordinary citizen. Of course in America, rampant and unregulated capitalism is a good thing. It’s encouraged and has no moral obligations attached. It doesn’t matter if the ‘patriots’ are selling their fellows down the river for a buck, they will have become one of the ‘insiders’ -- immune from suspicion because of their jobs and contacts. A quick phone call to the ‘right’ person would clear them of all suspicion and doubts about their intentions. ‘He/she is one of us’.

    So in essence, it is my belief that the people who say they love America the most are the very people who are engineering her downfall. Soon it will be an open conflict between the haves and the have nots, the suspicious and those above suspicion, paramilitary law enforcement and the guy/gal on the street. It’s going to start with the Muslims but that’s not where it’s going to end…

    This is all bullshit of course. I just enjoy talking shite. 😉

    • AdLib says:

      Hey Itchybiscuit! As Carmen says above, please do keep talkin’ that shite!

      No question IMHO that those who claim they love “Amurica” the most are the ones most aggressive about destroying what it stands for. That’s what the whole Tea Party scam is all about, they claim to be patriots who are fighting to bring America back…I assume it’s the America before slavery was abolished.

      Yep, they complain about how all Muslims want to kill Americans but when Zimmerman killed a black American teen, they applauded.

      Bingo, there ain’t no profit in peace so they scratch their head, “What’s the point of it?”

      They are so plainly hypocritical, when it comes to the 2nd Amendment and state gun control laws, they are so loud on how important federal laws are to obey but when it comes to the ACA, Voting Rights Act, Civil Rights Act, Social Security, etc., they argue that states don’t need to follow federal law.

      Mitt Romney was the perfect representative for the GOP, lying and having it both ways 24/7 and not caring how obviously it was all being seen for what it was.

  8. Beatlex says:

    I think that the republicans are doing a fine job of destroying themselves since they got in bed with the T’s. Rand Paul versus Chris Christie? Popcorn please

    • Assumed Name says:

      I don’t know, Beatlix…I keep seeing bumper stickers that say otherwise regarding their popularity: lots supporting Chia Pet, lots of silly snakes, lots of anti-Obama, and, most of all, lots of second amendment fanaticism.

    • AdLib says:

      Hey Bealtlex, I agree though they are the types to set fire to the house as they’re being evicted so we can’t discount or be unprepared for the damage they’ll try to do on the way out.

      As for the battle for the GOP, I’m with you, I think the 2016 battle for the Pres nom will be more intense and destructive to the GOP itself than 2012…if that’s possible!


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