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AdLib On November - 9 - 2012
  • choicelady : See you, AdLib. I will call if I have news. ‘Night!

  • choicelady : AdLib – IF the initiative is now supported by a crazed, power mad person. Rob Reiner was one on preschool – took a GREAT idea and screwed it up. And Daphne Phung who is behind the human trafficking one that passed – and ruined a very GOOD law and made it so bad it will harm, not help, victims. DAMN!

  • AdLib : Night! Take care CL and let’s catch up next week!

  • choicelady : ‘Night all. See you next week I hope!

  • AdLib : Guess that’s why in some cases, initiatives are better than leg votes.

  • choicelady : AdLib – yes. Shudder!

  • AdLib : As bad as it is on the Left, imagine how rampant it is on the right.

  • choicelady : AdLib – Yup. It boggles my mind, but it’s true.

  • AdLib : CL – Oh, I know it, you and I have chatted about how egocentric and power obsessed even those who work for altruistic causes can be. Look at the folks who blew the single payer bill. You’ve seen it again and again, right?

  • choicelady : ADLib – thank you for another great VOX. ‘Night everyone! Good weekend to all!

  • choicelady : AdLib – THAT was an understatement! We probably have to take these reform packages in smaller bits. But the real problem is my peers who lobby – they saw it as a threat to their entrenched power. And I’m talking about people similar to me who lobby for health,people in poverty – NOT corporate types! It was very discouraging. They are as power oriented as anyone. One guy who does health care stuff is as power hungry as the NRA lobbyist! I am NOT kidding.

  • AdLib : Well…looks like it’s that time, closing up the Vox Populi bar for the night on this, the Obama Re-Election Celebration edition! Cheers to all and thanks for all you’ve done along the way to support the President’s re-election! Have a great weekend all, you deserve it!

  • AdLib : too

  • AdLib : CL – Sounds like a great get together. Sorry 31 didn’t pass, I voted for it but I think it was a little to complicated for enough voters to appreciate.

  • SallyT : Murph, you get turning that soil over for the winter and I will watch for you on here later.

  • choicelady : AdLib – I’m off tomorrow to a party with the CA Forward folks. They loved I supported 31 and, even though it failed, a lot of good discussion came out of it. It offered us a chance for real grassroots democracy at the local level, and we will be celebrating where we go from here with what we’ve learned. They are supporting my union coop plans, too! So it will be a very good in-gathering of very good people!

  • SallyT : Good night, Bito. I hope to find you here again late night with me sometime this weekend.

  • AdLib : CL – Let me know how your adventures go next week in finding someone to get HOPE out of lockup! Have a relaxing weekend!

  • SallyT : KQ, rest and will see you on here later. I have a cartoon picked out just for you!

  • choicelady : bito dear – take care of you, please?

  • AdLib : Bito, you take care too and rest up. We need you in good shape, pal!

  • choicelady : Murph – farming is a 24/7 life, so I can imagine. Get rest and good luck catching up! THANK YOU for all you have done. You have changed the world!

  • AdLib : Murph – Looks like you’ve got a real green thumb at what you put your hand to, congrats again! Rest up and have a great weekend!

  • bito : Night KQ, You hung in longer than I did Brother,

  • SallyT : KQ, I got a Vicodin if you need one. Hope you feel better soon!

  • choicelady : Sorry sally – hit the return – I want to become the resident Biblical scholar of “The Song of Solomon”. It’s amazingly racy!

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Time to call it a night. Lots of farm work to catch up on (for some odd reason).

  • choicelady : Sally – ya think? I swear I want to become the scholar of

  • AdLib : Sorry KQ, get your meds and some rest. And don’t overdo Vox, when you’re feeling not so hot, please don’t hesitate to head out, don’t want you feeling bad.

  • SallyT : Gee, CL, I think they do that with the Bible, too.

  • choicelady : Oh KQ – did you HAVE a bone marrow and is it killing you? Yikes how awful! I’m sorry you’re in pain whatever the reason! Take good care of yourself!

  • SallyT : KQ, that is something everyone wishes they could do is see into the future but that might be a bad thing, too. Sometimes it just pays to wait.

  • KQµårk 死神 : OK folks I gotta go can’t stand the pain anymore.

  • AdLib : As for the Mayan calendar, the reason it ends is that…it would have to end sometime! I mean, they couldn’t carve out a calendar for infinity. Going up until 2012 was probably far enough into the future for that project, there were crops that needed attention too.

  • choicelady : KQ – well every time something happens such as JFK’s assassination, they whip out Nostradamus and reason BACKWARDS. Anyone can make anything out of it. It’s Plato’s “Shadows on the Cave” – you can interpret them to be just any old thing.

  • choicelady : ADLib – that’s why I want it out. Ann Ravel needs to think upon it and see if she can take it on without huge costs.

  • KQµårk 死神 : I agree with you CL. I think Nostradamus was just a con man. He knew if he wrote enough gibberish, that someone could come along in the future and infer connections to current and future events. It’s that little piece of human nature where we think we have some kind of way to see or control the future.

  • AdLib : CL – If we can take it to the FPPC saying that we want to make it work for them, I guess that’s the best hope we have. Then again, they could really like it, you know.

  • choicelady : AdLib – brains too FRIED tonight…

  • choicelady : AdLib – if I understand Robert correctly, yes. Majority only. The much bigger hurdle is FPPC. They will let us know if it’s something they want to take on or not. If NOT – if they impose a billion dollar requirement – we will have to rewrite it and find another “portal” for the complaint and process. And my brains are too friend tonight to think what that might be.

  • AdLib : KQ – We’re only bigot proof in Presidential years, haven’t tested out winning in off years. But, with the country recovering by 2014, I don’t think the racists and Repubs will have so easy a time then.

  • choicelady : KQ – I think the apocalyptic vision of 12-21-2012 is purely Hollywood. Sorry, AdLib, but bad screenwriters with overactive imaginations have a LOT to answer for!

  • AdLib : CL – So all we would need is a simple majority on HOPE?

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Ad Lib…I think this may even be broader than that….I will keep you posted.

  • choicelady : KQ – well NONE of Nostradamus’s prophecies came true. When Hitler kept that family name (his was Schickelgruber) it was his “sign” he was “Hisler” come to save the Teutonic race and have the 1000-year Reich. Well – it was 13 years of pure hell ending in his death. Moral to the story – if you really believe in prophecy? Don’t mix in.

  • SallyT : Hey, since no one was around 6000 years ago when those planets lasr realigned, I ain’t laughing at no one! There ain’t no dinozaurs.

  • AdLib : Sally – Very true. The followers of the Repubs are dying off and they are also the RR so they are dying off in greater numbers than they are being replaced. In 20 years, the racists, religious zealots and wealthy Repubs will be a permanent minority. SO sweet!

  • choicelady : Sally – exactly. But Mayan scholars said that apocalyptic visions have no role in Mayan religious iconography, so they don’t see how the cycle of the calendar means anything other than the cycle starts over. Booorrriiinnngg. No movies can be made from THAT dull premise!

  • AdLib : CL – When the lobster is suspended over the boiling water, he sees it as a challenge as well but the butter is already melted. The RR can hide themselves in denial, in fact, that’s good for the rest of us, until they become mostly extinct.

  • KQµårk 死神 : I can’t wait until the day passes. It’s always great when the Nostradumbarses are wrong.

  • SallyT : No one really know what the Mayan’s meant. Its a calendar in a circle. What goes round, comes around.

  • choicelady : AdLib – yes, I will ask Robert, but the way it’s written now, and from what he said, it is NOT a CA and thus does not require a 2/3. We only needed that for an emergency bill to take effect before the election. Well, THAT’s not a problem! But I will reconfirm.

  • AdLib : Murph – Akin and Mourdock certainly have created a big opening for Dems with Repubs, to seek out moderate Repubs and even conservative women Repubs. Blue Dogs can offer them more of what they want and that should be sold to them.

  • choicelady : KQ, KQ, KQ – that’s heathen. It’s Dec. 21, 2012 the end of the MAYAN calender sequence. BTW – the MAYANS never thought it mean the apocalypse. Only we gormless white people think that. But Christians ought NOT to buy into it – not kosher, so to speak.

  • KQµårk 死神 : The best part about this election is if Dems turn out we finally have a bigot proof majority.

  • AdLib : CL – So for the time being, you could at least get a response to whether 2/3 is or isn’t needed but to get someone to press Leg Counsel to kick out the bill, you need a legislator…of course if Steinberg’s office could at least help us with that, it would be fantastic. Could you imagine how much Mitt Romney and Crossroads would have had to pay to the state if HOPE was in effect this cycle?

  • choicelady : KQ – Yeah. And you have a problem with that? How much more “family values” do you get than incest?

  • KQµårk 死神 : AdLib I was thinking the same thing. Hey aren’t the end times a few weeks away anyway?

  • SallyT : AdLib, Bill Maher said tonight that the Repug Party is like the Beach Boys, their followers are all dying off!

  • choicelady : AdLib – if these are all signs from God…what is it God is saying? THEY are insisting it’s a “challenge” to them. If they were true believers, they’d understand that it would be a MESSAGE to them: your world view sucks, grow up!

  • AdLib : CL – That’s just it, a site that promotes bigotry against other religions would of course attract religious extremists.

  • KQµårk 死神 : CL that’s the one that bugs me the most. It looks like everyone is marrying their brother or sister.

  • AdLib : Hey, the Religious Right must be curling into the fetal position right about now! Gay marriage spreading around the US, legalized pot, personhood bills being shot down even in the deep South, Obama wins and Christian extremists like Akin and Mourdock lose…and now the Repubs are talking about supporting immigration reform! They must be in full panic mode that the world is really making them “left behind”!

  • choicelady : Sally – SO sorry to hear that. But I’m with AdLib [smiley]

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Ad Lib- my friend who is from Jefferson City, the state capitol, says that the Dems in Mo (and more broadly across the nation) have decided that the GOP’s goal in the 2010 and 2012 elections was to “end” the Dems made this election a matter of life and death for the party. Now, they must act on the advantage the election gave them on a number of fronts. One of those fronts is the “conversion” of purple states.

  • choicelady : AdLib – for the moment Irene has given me access again. I can indeed ask that question. but I mostly want it OUT so I can shop it around! So does he – he’s working to get it to me. But with Irene gone, it’s much harder. I need a new “drop”.

  • KQµårk 死神 : Absolutely AdLib It’s an individual decision I just think it’s an ignorant and unenlightened one. I do think they do have an underlying code for white or conservative though.

  • SallyT : And, I don’t think God had as much to do with it as my being young and stupid!

  • choicelady : AdLib and all – that “Christian Mingle” site gives me the creeps because at the end, the “ideal husband” is that bearded guy with the hat – and he looks EXACTLY like an anti-abortion zealot I knew who was emotionally abusive to his wife.

  • AdLib : Sally – [smiley]

  • SallyT : He is still a lunatic Christian but he ain’t my husband anymore!!

  • AdLib : CL – Do you need permission to contact Robert on this or could you email him with that question?

  • SallyT : I was once married to a lunatic Christian……. ……

  • choicelady : KQ – I DID date a very conservative guy once. It did not go well. You’re wise to know yourself that thoroughly.

  • AdLib : Murph – Would like to hear more about the broader movements.

  • AdLib : Sally – God will find a match for you…but keep in mind that he sends hurricanes to destroy the lives of many people so no guarantee that your match won’t be a lunatic…but at least he’s a Christian!

  • choicelady : Sally – I know. It’s like I said about the election: if you REALLY believe everything is God’s will and a sign of his wishes for us – then you HAVE to accept Obama’s election and suck it up! I’m waiting for that divine revelation to hit. I am NOT holding my breath!

  • AdLib : KQ – I find those sites offensive but I understand that people are very programmed to be exclusive and cliquish. Their churches or temples teach them that it is honoring their religion to marry someone of the same religion…but it is much like having a “Whites Only” dating site. Still, I don’t fault the people who are driven to those sites, I resent the separatist environment that some religions perpetuate.

  • choicelady : AdLib – I think it might stand on its own and not even NEED the 2/3. I will check that with Robert. But IF it’s a Constitutional Amendment it may need to go on the ballot. I just can’t sort this out yet. There have to be ways for that NOT to be necessary. It’s just an addition, not altering anything. This is the area where I get very muddy. but at no point did Robert say it was a CA.

  • KQµårk 死神 : But I have to admit though even if I was not married to my soul mate I don’t think I could ever date a Republican.

  • choicelady : Murph – it might be a foot in the door for those lovely new friend. It could give them a safe place to be thinking differently.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Stepped out for a while…got a call from a fellow activist….refl ecting on the Post Dispatch Article I mentioned earlier….there are some broader movements at work.

  • SallyT : KQ, LOL! I love the Christian site that says GOD will help you find the one….dud, does HE need a computer????

  • choicelady : KQ – those specialty dating sites really do run against “hybrid vigor” don’t they? The white supremacists may not like it, but any time you mix people up, you get smarter, stronger people. Same with any animals. Purebred animals are genetically weak no matter HOW careful you are.

  • AdLib : Thanks CL. With the supermajority, all we would need is for Dems to pass it as an amendment, right? No initiative necessary to be voted on, yes?

  • KQµårk 死神 : Sally as a scientist that’s why I cringe when I see these dating websites, Black only, Jewish only, Christian only WTF? Then again it never made any sense to me why you limit yourself to who you dated. I understand personal preference but those sites go too far.

  • AdLib : CL – It’s such a waste when you see the ego and hubris of people destroy a good cause.

  • choicelady : AdLib – yes, I will ask Susan McKee, his District Director, to ask capitol staff to extract HOPE for us. Then I will once again take it to Steinberg to see if he will author it. (Sorry – turned a noun into a verb. Very bad form.)

  • SallyT : KQ, I think even if you take those out, he is still ahead on the good ones.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Choice…thanks for the Sojouner’s contact.

  • AdLib : CL – So we don’t have those who got it to leg counsel to contact them? Do you think Steinberg’s office would at least help to get it out of Leg Counsel for us?

  • choicelady : AdLib – on 34 I totally fault ACLU and the woman who handled the campaign. I TOLD her they would not win – they never had more than 48%. You cannot go into something of this magnitude with 1.insufficient education for people and 2. bad numbers. She was awful, arrogant, and ran a crap campaign. But I’m not pissy or anything…

  • SallyT : KQ, Prince Charles…..LOL! !!!

  • KQµårk 死神 : Unfortunately allot of those bills LBJ passed were war appropriations for a needless war.

  • AdLib : Night Bourne! Have a nice weekend!

  • SallyT : CL, LBJ got more bills passed than any other. He knew how to handle congress. He had been there long enough.

  • choicelady : AdLib – I don’t even know where Irene is. I’m asking Steinberg’s folks to take it up.

  • AdLib : CL – Very glad about 39 and the 3 strikes law change. Wish the anti-death penalty law had passed but still too many vengeful folks out there.

  • KQµårk 死神 : Just look at Prince Charles [smiley]

  • choicelady : ‘Night Bourne! See you!

  • KQµårk 死神 : From a biological standpoint directed breeding has always had it’s pitfalls. Any time you try to DECREASE natural diversity it’s going against nature.

  • choicelady : AdLib – if LBJ had not waged war in Vietnam, he’d be on Mt. Rushmore.

  • AdLib : CL – Can we get Irene to at least press Leg Counsel to get it out to us? We need to get it in hand so we can take the next step of finding an author.

  • choicelady : AdLib and Sally – that’s the billionaire behind Prop. 39. He is a very progressive guy!

  • BourneID : Hey all. Im going to sign off and wish all of ya a good weekend. I’m on the phone and the conversation is going to take longer than expected. See you next week.

  • choicelady : AdLib and Sally – I’m even happier Prop. 39 passed. It closed a ginormous giveaway tax break to out of state corporations and will put half the restored revenue into job creation for entry level green jobs that will help NON college and high tech people get on the job skill development and create self sufficiency. AND we’re trying to get the billionaire to buy into the union cooperative work to create some of those installation firms as employee owned cooperatives!

  • AdLib : Think about the legislative agenda for Obama this year. Revising the tax system so the wealthy pay more and it’s fairer, cutting the deficit without slashing social services (or military unfortunately), immigration reform, SS and Medicare reform so that the systems are secure but not harmed…and the Repubs have to deal on all of it in the end. And he’ll probably appoint at least two SCOTUS judges if not 3. Consider the legacy of change under Obama after two terms, can’t think of a more transformational President since FDR (LBJ did accomplish some big things too but not as many as Obama will have).

  • SallyT : Not all GMO’s are bad. Labeling will help you determine those that are and those that are not harmful.

  • KQµårk 死神 : So is making pot with super high levels of THC utilizing GMO technology? Gotta admit that’s one area where I think man has been altering the breeding of crops for thousands of years.

  • choicelady : AdLib – I am over the moon for HOPE with this supermajority IF I can EVER pry it out of the leg counsel. Irene is gone, so I have to find other ‘hands’ to get it into. I’m workin’ on it!

  • SallyT : Anyone that grew up on a family farm, AdLib, knew that was bullshit! City folks wouldn’t.

  • choicelady : Murph – I got diverted about your new Lysistrata Ladies’ minister. You might, quietly, mention Jim Wallis of Sojourners. He’s Southern Baptist in origin and heads a movement, Call for Renewal, that is evangelical AND progressive. He’s not my fave on sexual justice (LGBT and women’s right to choose) but he’s not a pig either. That might give them something familiar to bring to the table with the minister. Sojourners is available online. Free.

  • AdLib : Sally – Lots of successful propaganda on the GMO bill, very disappointed that it lost but thrilled that Prop 30 won!

  • AdLib : Cl – I love that you’re focused on the union coop thing! That is a great path for the future of business. BTW, anything we can do about getting HOPE moving towards that upcoming supermajority in the CA legislature?

  • KQµårk 死神 : Allot of people are just ignorant of what the owners stand for or donate to. It’s not willful ignorance either you just can’t know everything.

  • SallyT : AdLib, like the GMO thing in Calif. I saw the ad against it and the farmer saying how it would hurt them. First off, the farmer gets the same price regardless and the farmer doesn’t put the labels on the product. That is packaging and the farmer doesn’t add all the additives to the end product. If the seeds were GMO that would be on the package. AND< THE LITTLE FARMER IS NOT THE ENEMY< IT IS CORPORATE>INDUST RIAL FARMING THAT IS!!!!

  • AdLib : KQ – Very important and ethical, not to attack people who patronize a business you boycott. If we don’t respect the freedom of choice of others, we’re bullies like the RWs. Still, I would try to convince people out of patronizing businesses owned by evildoers.

  • choicelady : AdLib – this is why I’m working on the union coop issue. When companies refuse to pay their state and local taxes, clawbacks might mean turning the biz over to the employees eventually. Payback’s a bitch, and companies need to understand we’re mad as hell, and we’re not going to take it anymore!

  • AdLib : Night Sabreen!

  • KQµårk 死神 : Sleep well

  • choicelady : Sally – I figured that out. For a Great Dane, a yardstick is a toothpick.

  • KQµårk 死神 : TC Sabreen

  • AdLib : CL – There are two things that need to be balanced of course. Refraining from putting money in the hands of people who are trying to destroy our lives and paying the price for things that we can afford. We can’t be perfect, we can just try to do our best.

  • KQµårk 死神 : Yup I don’t care if there are good people working at Chik Fil a. The head of the company still donates to hate groups as far as I’m concerned. But I also understand that’s my boundary and don’t necessarily condemn people that buy products from companies I can’t support.

  • SallyT : Goodnight Sabreen!

  • choicelady : goodnight Sabreen!

  • AdLib : Sabreen – Yes, just like all the PR ads Exxon takes out on MSNBC and elsewhere, “We love teachers!”. Really? Then instead of paying $0 in taxes to the country and taking money from teachers and education with your billions in subsidies, pay billions you owe and quit taking their money so we can pay them more! Damn hypocrites drive me up a wall.

  • SallyT : Of course, CL, hubby was joking about the yard stick, too.

  • choicelady : Oh Sally that’s funny! It must have caught some shopper off guard though – I love Great Danes, but they’re bigger than I am! What a hoot that must have been!

  • Sabreen60 : Nite Glenn. It’s midnight so I’m signing off, too. Take care folks.

  • choicelady : KQ – we knew what you meant. We all have finger dyslexia.

  • AdLib : KQ – Great reference! And yes, it is an ethical conundrum but if one extrapolates out to the extreme, the conclusion seems to be easier. Supporting evil is always a mistake.

  • SallyT : CL, yes they can get lost but last weekend, hubby went and when the one of the employees asked him why he was getting a yard stick, my hubby said he had a couple of great dane dogs that sometimes weren’t good boys. He told them he had one of them waiting in the car. They asked him to bring him in and hubby and Moondozer had the run of Home Depot! Moon was a big hit and told to come back again.

  • KQµårk 死神 : TC glenn.

  • choicelady : goodnight, glenn. Great to have you here!

  • KQµårk 死神 : Bake = Back

  • AdLib : Night glenn!

  • choicelady : ADLib – we do most of our shopping in local stores, but you sometimes can’t. Most of our bathroom remodel came from small suppliers – but the cabinets came from Lowe’s (pre boycott, sigh) because we just could NOT afford the higher costs at independent stores. We blew our budget as it was. Pitiful when your bath is the best room in the house!

  • Sabreen60 : The Koch Bros also contribute to the arts. That doesn’t undo all the harm they do.

  • glenn : g’night all–keep thinking happy thoughts like Obama won!

  • KQµårk 死神 : Ah the Clerks ‘The Empire Strikes Bake’ ethical conundrum AdLib.

  • AdLib : So any bets, will the Bush tax cut issue be resolved in the Lame Duck session or will we go into the new year with everyone’s hair on fire over that and sequestration?

  • AdLib : CL – Sometimes you have to create new dynamics. The lesson that history has taught us is not to support those who are evil because it would also support good people working for him. Always the wrong thing to do.

  • choicelady : Sally – yes, ours are the same. We’re 100 years this year, and it’s ALWAYS SOMETHING. But I go, too – or he’d get lost in hardware never to be seen again. And I LIKE him.

  • AdLib : KQ – We do try to buy local and independent stores more and more.

  • choicelady : AdLib – I know, but it then becomes the reason for them to try to bust the union. Awful sets of circumstances.

  • SallyT : CL, but in a house over 100 years old, he had to go often. Like this weekend to get plastic for the porch windows!

  • glenn : CL–so glad to hear Costco is employee friendly. I have a store right near me and shop there often

  • Sabreen60 : KQ, Your bone marrow comment went right over my head??

  • AdLib : CL – Sorry steelworkers but I won’t give money to the Kochs.

  • choicelady : Sally – I’d ground my husband from Home Depot just ’cause I’d never SEE him again!!!

  • AdLib : Sabreen – Yes, Costco pays a living wage and supports unions. A good corporation and I’m happy to support its workers by shopping there.

  • KQµårk 死神 : We get all our veg and fruit from a local co-op now an they even deliver it.

  • choicelady : Sabreen – Costco is a very solid employer. And their large shareholders want them to STOP giving good pay and benefits to gouge the last nickel out of the profits never realizing that Costco outperforms Wal-Mart considerably.

  • SallyT : CL, your contractor is why I don’t think Home Depot contributes to the GOP any longer. Anyway, I just remember Cher telling me it was okay to go to Home Depot since I had grounded my husband from it.

  • choicelady : Sabreen – if you go to Wikipedia on “employee owned businesses” you will find a whole list. Several supermarket chains are employee owned. This does NOT guarantee they’re employee friendly, but it’s a good start.

  • KQµårk 死神 : You know what really really ticks me off about the whole Papa John’s thing. He can spend all this money sponsoring the NFL and giving away 2 million free pizzas but can’t give his employees HC insurance.

  • AdLib : Night Kes, get some rest and have a wonderful weekend!

  • glenn : for all of the a’holes complaining about stock market–it’s still up over 4000 points since 12/31/08. The 1%ers aren’t going to let it go down too low.

  • AdLib : Bourne, each state is different. Neither OH or FL have the right to recall their Gov. A real drag, especially with the RWs that got elected in 2010. But 2014 isn’t that far away!

  • choicelady : AdLib – the Steelworkers are asking us NOT to boycott some of Koch’s industries Georgia Pacific I think because they’re union. These are hair-tearing-out conundrums.

  • KQµårk 死神 : Damn bone marrow taps are literally a pain in the arse.

  • choicelady : Sally – my home remodeling contractor is Lesbian, and she won’t buy anywhere BUT Home Depot due to their LGBT friendly supports for employees. So I’m never sure whether to support or oppose these folks!

  • AdLib : Sabreen, good for you! I too avoid Koch owned products and boycott RW companies. Too bad I don’t like crappy pizza, I’d boycott Papa John’s if I did.

  • Sabreen60 : CL, you just may be right. In fact, the only decent large corporation I’ve read about is Costco.

  • SallyT : Sabreen, I don’t know, I was told that Home Depot no longer contributes to the Repub Party. I think Cher told me that.

  • choicelady : ‘night kes – have a lovely weekend!

  • glenn : ‘night Kes, you have a good weekend, too

  • AdLib : Bourne – Walsh is just BSing to get the last bit of publicity he can, he can’t and won’t run for Gov.

  • choicelady : Sally and Sabreen – if we keep on long enough, there will be NO chain businesses left. Maybe boycotts are how we revitalize Main Street!

  • Sabreen60 : Nite Kes. Take care of yourself.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Ad Lib…good news re. the boxes. I did not know.

  • SallyT : Kes, same to you! Have a good night!

  • Sabreen60 : Sally, I read that he’s still a major shareholder.

  • AdLib : Murph – The courts today refused West’s request to impound ballot boxes. This is a Norm Coleman/Al Franken situation, the case of a belligerent ass who won’t take “loser” for an answer and will drag this out just out of vindictiveness because he has the money to do it. Hope that if he sues, he is counter sued for a lot of money for filing a frivilous law suit and has to pay up big time.

  • kesmarn : Well, dear friends, almost midnight here. I should sign off. It’s been a great week. Hope you all have a wonderful weekend.

  • SallyT : The old AHole is no longer with Home Depot.

  • BourneID : AdLib, I told her I didn’t know about FL law but that we had recalled a Gov in CA 6 or 7 years ago; suggested she contact the FL Sec’y of State for guidance. CL, yep. That’s Joe’s plan. It doesn’t take long to get accustomed to the good life of living off the government. I know, I did it a few years.

  • choicelady : Murph – wow. We found in the cooperatives of Modragon, they hire people with developmental disabilities who are full owners in the coop. Amazing when you decide all people are worthy! I’m SO glad to know about the French experience! That’s amazing.

  • kesmarn : Verizon contributes to RW causes/candidate s, too.

  • KQµårk 死神 : What these liars do is like what they do with tax rates. The nominal HC premium increases will be 20-30% for some gold plated policy and before they start negotiations but they never ever pay those high rates.

  • Sabreen60 : Verizon ISN’T much better. I talked with a tech who said Verizon was giving them a hard time about their union.

  • AdLib : CL – Woo hoo! Bono Mack and Connie Mack both lose!

  • choicelady : KQ – well, CEOs have to blame SOMEONE so it might as well be PBO AND labor – a twofer.

  • glenn : KQ–I know, with these arrogant CEO’s (actually it should be spelled SOB’s)– talking about cutting off your nose to spite your face.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : CL….I have friends in France. They have a daughter who is similar to the young man you describe has been living in a “family village” for years now. Her meds are carefully monitored. She works in crafts which are sold. The housing is good. There are ways for the family to really visit in a natural setting. I shudder to think of where she would in the U.S.- the best medical system in the world say the GOP

  • choicelady : Bourne – Walsh for GOVERNOR??? LOL!!!

  • KQµårk 死神 : The biggest liars that still kill me are these CEO’s claiming that HC premiums are going up 30% and bullshite like that. Every study shows rates are going up slower under Obamacare.

  • AdLib : Bourne – I don’t think you can do a recall of a Gov in FL. Not worth it at this point, he’s up for re-election in 2014 and will be thrown out big time.

  • Sabreen60 : CL, I agree with you about the boycott. I no longer buy from Home Depot and I’m trying to figure out an alternative to Comcast (Verizon is much better). Of course, I don’t use any products manufactured by the Kochs. I haven’t been to Whole Foods for months – which really hurts.

  • glenn : anybody here from Florida? What’s the status on the election there? I know everybody has called it for the President, but is it official yet? And how about bad haircut West? I read he got shot down by the courts because he was too far behind for a recount. Can’t wait for his loss to be official,

  • SallyT : Something to do with the fourth quarter.

  • choicelady : Murph – I read late this afternoon that the courts told West to stuff it. The gap in the lead is too big to demand a recount. So I think West can’t go anywhere. Oh sure – he can personally sue Murphy – but for what? Most any court would toss that as frivolous.

  • kesmarn : It’s a relief to know someone else felt that way too, KQ. Let’em tantrum.

  • SallyT : I heard one of the Union Reps say something about this being the time of year that the mines have layoffs anyway.

  • BourneID : Hey MTS3 I also supported Pat Murphy; Allen West is a true pig. I cannot believe he refuses to accept the loss. I also saw that Joe Walsh is considering running for Governor…do you believe that?

  • KQµårk 死神 : Kes that’s exactly how I read the DJIA selloff. They were as delusional as Faux News and really though Romney had a chance.

  • SallyT : CL, the poor employees will be the ones hurt by boycotting but that may be the only way.

  • kesmarn : I’ve wondered if that sharp Dow sell-off was something of a tantrum, too. But again — that can’t last too long, either. There’s money to be made.

  • AdLib : Sabreen – Well, this tantrum by these childish Execs will come back to haunt them since nothing has changed to support the layoffs. They’ll need to re-hire and retrain, costing them more money. Good.

  • choicelady : Murph – the mental health facilities here are full, so Michael has to wait in the ER where he apparently is under restraint. Kes – Michael is on some range of meds, but lithium isn’t one of them. But what happens to his blood count, weight, fluid retention – they poor guy is six or seven different people every year depending on what meds have been adjusted – fat, thin, hyper, dull – you name it, Michael’s been in. Today? Raving lunatic.

  • KQµårk 死神 : Exactly AdLib they can’t hold on forever like I just said. Plus they will be fearful Obama raises capital gains taxes so they will be compelled to invest their capital more.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Allen West, the neofascist from Florida,is refusing to accept his loss to Patrick Murphy. He is taking him to court….I have sent money to support Murphy and called the DNC today to ask what they were going to do.

  • AdLib : KQ – I think you’re right on target, it seems likely that many corps put off hiring hoping by not contributing to the recovery, Romney could get in and cut their taxes in a way that profited them far more than greater productivity would have. Now, they are screwed and behind where they could have been. They can’t wait 4 years so I think we’ll see a sharper increase in hiring in 2013.

  • KQµårk 死神 : They can’t do it forever though glenn. Their greed will overcome their ideology. It already has for many of them.

  • kesmarn : I think there’s a 1040X Amended in the mail as we speak, KQ.

  • glenn : Choice lady–Hey back atcha.

  • choicelady : Sabreen – Applebees is threatening to lay off, etc. If all these guys lay off employees, how are they going to make any money? These are all labor dependent businesses. And why lay off NOW? There is over a year to go. Stupid. I say we boycott everyone we can (hard to boycott a coal mine I know) and remind them that their STAFF is what makes them money!

  • choicelady : Thanks, Ad Lib. It will be what it will be.

  • kesmarn : I know of a similar situation, c’lady. The lithium for the bi-polar situation caused life-threatening kidney damage. What a choice, your sanity or your kidneys?

  • KQµårk 死神 : Oh yeah and how much do ya want to bet that Romney already refiled his 2011 tax returns to get those ‘deferred’ deductions back.

  • choicelady : AdLib – I saw she’d caved, Bono Mack. So yeah – I think it’s final.

  • BourneID : Well I wrote something today about Gov Scott in FL who said his decision to hold the opening of early voting was the right thing to do. There was an explosion of fury from FL folks all resolving to make sure he is not re-elected to asking me if he can be impeached. I said not impeached but recalled. The temperature is very high in FL. AdLib re Bono/Mack…yes, they have lost, definitely.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Choice…and in this story you have the deplorable condition of our mental health services in this country.

  • glenn : kq your theory of businessmen limiting hiring may be right on. Now they are firing people, and of course it’s all President Obama’s fault. I sincerely hope all of these people who get fired get a job soon!

  • choicelady : Hey glenn – sorry not to say hi. Just settling back in after a neighborhood crisis.

  • SallyT : The guy with the coal mine is letting 160 people because he says that Obamacare is going to cost him.

  • AdLib : CL – Sorry to hear that about your neighbor’s son.

  • Sabreen60 : Evidently there are companies, Papa Johns, Murray (?) Coal, etc that laid off employees because PBO was elected. At least, that’s what I read on Tweeter.

  • choicelady : Sally – yup. That’s what I fear. Michael has been on meds his whole life since his father threw him against a wall at age 4. It’s been downhill from there.

  • AdLib : Very funny tweet, KQ!

  • choicelady : Thank you, kes. I keep waiting for Michael,the 48-year-old son, to die. His adoptive father is in very bad health – but I think he will outlive Michael. VERY sad state of affairs.

  • SallyT : Oh, Bito, I see that I have my first to tally on letting people go because of the President being reelected.

  • KQµårk 死神 : Big business has been sitting on capital, hindering hiring and stretching workers hours just to make the economy worse for Obama.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : CL…stand with them. I turn to Carole King’s “You’ve Got a Friend” for inspiration in moments like this.

  • AdLib : CL – It’s not final yet that Bono Mack lost, is it? Lots of absentee ballots left but sure hoping Ruiz keeps his lead. That would be so sweet, she and her hubby Connie Mack both losing this year!

  • choicelady : Murph – they both drive me nuts, but they are good people overall. Neither has a lick of common sense, but when things are stable, they both have great senses of humor and are good friends in their way.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : KQ…what is your theory?

  • glenn : Hi kesmarn and sabreen and kquark

  • SallyT : The bug thing is very common in schizophrenia, CL. I have heard others talk about it.

  • kesmarn : So sad, c’lady. Prayers.

  • KQµårk 死神 : AdLib what do you think of my theory now that right wing businessmen did what they could to hamper recovery by limiting hiring?

  • kesmarn : Thankee, AdLib. I don’t normally prognosticate very well, but that one was pretty obvious.

  • choicelady : kes – oddly no, he’s NOT a drug user. He’s autistic, bipolar, tends to schizophrenia and occasional paranoia and then add in seizures… He went off his bipolar meds, and it’s manifested itself VERY badly this time. But he does not drink or use street drugs at all.

  • AdLib : Kes – You were right on the money (in every sense of the phrase).

  • BourneID : Hi Kes; Hi CL. The entire night on Tuesday was a sweep. Our polls barely closed (8:12) when they called Obama as the winner. It was an out of body experience. Hi Sabreen. AdLiv, I agree; it’s absurd. Give it a damn rest.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : CL- good of you to stand with that family and the son….mental illness is so cruel and so hard to deal with…

  • kesmarn : Oh dear, c’lady. Awful. Is he on meth? That “fleas” thing is common for meth-heads.

  • AdLib : BTW, hi Bourne!

  • choicelady : kes – major psychotic break. Son went off his meds, has “fleas” crawling under his skin, threatening to cut off parts of his body – you can imagine. So he’s restrained waiting for admit we don’t know where. Sigh.

  • SallyT : Where’s Funkie? They just announced that the Democrat is the new Governor in Washington State. Finally!

  • AdLib : Hey glenn!

  • glenn : AdLib, I completely agree with your comments regarding the romneys. Personally, I hope ann cries for days!

  • AdLib : Bourne – Personally, I think that any pundits trying to get conversations going about 2016 right now are obnoxious. We just went through 2 years of an election, knock it off for a while.

  • KQµårk 死神 : Hey Glenn and Bourne

  • Sabreen60 : Hi glenn & Bourne!

  • KQµårk 死神 : Hell AdLib I tweeted “Silver lining for RMoney. He may have lost the election but at least he got to fire dozens of people this week which is his favorite pastime” then some Romney apologist said Romney was just firing ineffective people. Of course the no brainer comeback was that ‘Romney should have fired himself first then’.

  • choicelady : Bourne – my office is in the Lungren/Bera district and I cannot believe Bera is ahead. We also got rid of Bono Mack! Wow – great day for CA!

  • kesmarn : c’lady, how is your neighbor?

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Sally- Mitt was nearly catonic and Ann was in tearful meltdown…that is how shocked they were. Couldn’t have happened to “nicer” people.

  • AdLib : CL – This is how Mitt has appeared “successful” his whole life, when he screws up, he always blames “the little people”. That’s the CEO mentality, just like when Bush was asked what mistakes he made as President and couldn’t think of one, they always have scapegoats beneath them to hide their incompetence and failure behind.

  • kesmarn : Hey, glenn and Bourne!

  • glenn : Hi! Obama won! Got here late tonight, then had to take time to read the posts.

  • choicelady : Murph and Sally – saw a little, not a lot. I think we all know this man and his family are effing insane.

  • Sabreen60 : Murph, I read your comment to my husband re the Christian Science Monitor reporter interview. He said there should have been a camera set up like when Mitt made is 47% comment. My hubby has a “take no prisoners” when it comes to Romney.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Bourne…HI….g reat news for the Doc…may it continue….

  • kesmarn : One of the few things I predicted more or less accurately was that it was possible that gigantic amounts of money might be spent by the right — and they’d get nothing for it. And then that they’d be furious about losing all of that cash. I’m so glad they are!

  • SallyT : Choice, yes, I knew that. I have commented. Glad to see you here.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Choice – if you scan back down the thread you will see a few comments (a couple of longer ones) about how bad that night really was. Take a gander.

  • BourneID : i have arrived; a little late, but knew you are all as relieved as I over the outcome on Tuesday. I was watching Current TV and Spitzer wanted to talk to his guest about the possibility of Hilary running against Joe Biden in 2016. And then we wonder how it all gets so stupid so fast. Murph, Bera is up by 1800 votes; not bad.

  • AdLib : KQ – Exactly, all the GOP will do is try to change their messengers to minorities and women and cloak their agenda behind progressive terms like “change” and “fairness”. Beneath the facade, all the same policies will be in place…except on the immigration issue because that’s one they know they’ll lose on if they don’t change their position.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Ad lIb- Have to agree with you regarding wanting the Romney Campaign crushed- and the Mitt/Ann team humbled…given how much hurting they did and how nasty they were.

  • KQµårk 死神 : 1000% agree AdLib.

  • choicelady : Hi-I’m back. Sally and Murph did you read that immediately after the concession speech, Romney cut off ALL his staff’s credit cards? Today the meme is that the staff were amateurs, they were failures, the big money people are screaming they want it all back – and the blame goes to the rank and file staff NOT to anyone else. We hear he did not wish to be told he was in trouble – he was that controlling and that delusional.

  • Sabreen60 : KQ – NO! I think PBO holds the cards re the fiscal cliff and have put Boehner in a box. Either they pass tax cuts for middle class or look like the asshats they actually are.

  • KQµårk 死神 : They are so cynical, they think it’s just about messaging.

  • AdLib : Murph – Thanks for the brief on that article, looking forward to reading it! It is schadenfreude for me, I am not cruel or unfeeling but I’m not phony about my views. When Breitbart died and many Dems were offering praise, I said good riddance. Just because someone dies or loses, doesn’t mean we all have to become hypocrites. Mitt Romney was the most unprincipled man I have ever seen run for President, the biggest fraud and liar and his wife Ann was right beside him, supporting the fraud and the lies along with their sons. They are awful people with no principles and an elitist view of the world, believing that they are entitled to whatever they want and lying or cheating to get it is justified because they’re superior. For that reason, I will appreciate their being crushed on election night, they deserved to be hammered and they were.

  • SallyT : I am sure with all the money that Romney has, people are always around him telling him how wonderful, smart, handsome, successful he is that he believes them. Those are the people he likes around him and they were and he listened to only them. SURPRISE!

  • kesmarn : They say clueless things like: “I don’t know why minorities don’t like us. We have our Condi Rice. We have our Marco Rubio.”

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Did Romney really get less Mormon votes than Bush.

  • kesmarn : KQ, I don’t know if the GOP actually knows HOW to change.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Sab….yes, Obama is a real man and real man show real emotion. I worked his 2008 campaign in SC where he appeared again and again and again. I got to meet him 4 times- 2 in passing, 2 with real contact….he is as he seems. It pained me that I could only donate this time around but my McCaskill work was a balance and for him.

  • KQµårk 死神 : Does anyone really think the GOP are going to change on any policies?

  • kesmarn : As hard as it is to believe Mitt didn’t see this one coming, apparently he really didn’t. That lack of awareness is a red flag right there. What a horrible president he would have been!

  • SallyT : Sabreen, Romney didn’t think he would lose, it was owed to him, these employees didn’t work hard enough, so, he fired them. He likes to fire people for not doing their job in his eyes.

  • AdLib : Kes – No kidding! Has any winner of a presidential election had a fireworks display set up and ready to go that night? How presumptuous and egotistical!

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Ad Lib-The Bill Press interview was with a Christian Science Monitor reporter who is writing a big story, but he said that he caught a good glimpse of the family room backstage of the auditorium….Mi tt was staring blankly at the tv proclaiming the bad news, Ann was weeping with her head in her hands, the sons were pacing like angry beasts and occasionally barking out angrily. There was apparently some question as to whether Ann could even go out on stage. All were promised a very brief appearance and then home.

  • AdLib : Sabreen – Just shows what an uncaring, unappreciative jerk Romney is. After he was through using his staff, he immediately cut them loose and said, “Find your own way home, I’m not paying for it!”

  • kesmarn : I know, right? It was such overkill, ALib.

  • Sabreen60 : Murph, Lawrence just showed the video of PBO thanking his campaign workers – the one when he teared up. I couldn’t help think about Romney cancelling his campaign workers’ credit cards so they couldn’t even use them to pay cab fare on the way home in the wee hours of the morning.

  • AdLib : Kes – Yes, I found the fireworks to be so obnoxious and in-your-face. What a dick move he was planning! So funny they “blew up” in his face!

  • KQµårk 死神 : The MIC cuts are much more identifiable and supported by the public. Again I don’t believe congress. They are spineless on both sides when it comes to cuts.

  • AdLib : Murph, any details on the Ann meltdown? That self-entitled elitist needed to be brought down many rungs, would like to hear how she was.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Sally T-downhearted is a word that fits my experience too. And like you some lip service to going on with the fight but when I push back, even softly, they fall into silence.

  • kesmarn : To me, the fireworks are the funniest part, Murph. Don’t know why. What do you do with left-over fireworks — besides Karl Rove’s … Well, I won’t finish that one.

  • SallyT : Murph, I have had several of my old classmates back in MO all down hearted by President Obama being re-elected. They say stuff like they are going to keep fighting for their country and hound their congressman to fight, etc etc. I just answered, “I voted for President Obama. The country will be safe and enough said.” No one answered me.

  • AdLib : Hey Sabreen!

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Kes- exactly. Bill Press had a reporter on this morning who was given full access to the Romney campaign on the last two days BECAUSE they were so confident. His description of the fall from grace in less than an hour is amazing. People pouring out of the auditorium; the panic over the unwritten concession speech, the Ann meltdown, the Mitt catatonia, the fireworks display and the orchestra that was supported to play America the Beautiful…..

  • AdLib : Murph – You’re a great ambassador for the Dem party! Hearts and minds is the way to win this battle, a very potent and easy way to win because there’s no competition, the GOP only vilifies Dems and hates them, no wooing or diplomacy from them.

  • kesmarn : I didn’t even notice, Sabreen.

  • Sabreen60 : “by” not “bye”. Geez, I wish we had an edit button.

  • kesmarn : Hey, Sabreen. The “glo(at)” still hasn’t worn off.

  • AdLib : KQ – Actually, the MIC cuts are no more or less set in stone than the social cuts. And it’s not a matter of what could happen, it’s an across the board cut so it will happen if things aren’t changed. That said, I think they will wriggle out of this because the Dems don’t want the social cuts and the Repubs don’t want the MIC cuts. There will be an agreement on this, I’m confident of that.

  • kesmarn : AdLib, well put. I think there was a lot of melodrama intended by the remark. Even the person saying it probably didn’t know what it meant.

  • Sabreen60 : Hey folks. Just stopped bye to see if everyone is still gloating? I am!

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Ad Lib…several people I sort of know but who I run into a lot have been surprised that I am a democrat. Their comments” “Murph, you seem so nice….so sensible…have so much common sense…work hard…” thus challenging their definition of Dems.

  • kesmarn : Murph, if Mitt had to hitch a ride home, I’m OK with that. I heard all his young staffers had their credit cards cut off instantly and had to get home any which way they could manage.

  • AdLib : Kes – I don’t find that line so creepy, it sounds like the immature mentality of a Repub sheep who was misled and now feels devastated that he’ll hold his breath unril he dies. Very childish.

  • KQµårk 死神 : I’m not gonna worry about could’s anymore AdLib. I’ve been burned too much by the outrage machine crying wolf all the time. Especially when it comes to budget numbers they can be rigged easily enough. I just don’t think Dems have nearly as much to lose because the MIC cuts are more set in stone. Plus you can rely on the fact that when it comes to cuts Dems and Repugs are not really serious when it comes down to it.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Bill Maher on Real Time…Mitt did WORSE with Mormons that Bush Did….True? Hope So….AND, Mitt had to get a ride home with one his sons when the Secret Service dumped him the moment he lost……love it. Am I gloating?

  • AdLib : Murph – The most dangerous thing about warfare can often be blowback. It’s unpredictable but after the fact, seems so intuitive. Look at the Voter ID suppression, the blowback was very motivated minority voters, the exact opposite result the Repubs and ALEC planned on. When it comes to rank and file Repubs being fed hateful propaganda against Dems, if they begin to see Dems as decent people who just have different opinions, the blowback could be a real exodus from the GOP.

  • AdLib : KQ – The cuts could hurt things like education, school meals, health and science funding, etc. So, there are a lot of serious social services that could be slashed even though SS and Medicare are protected (not sure if Medicaid is fully protected, do you know?).

  • kesmarn : Yes to both, AdLib. And a sort of recklessness I am seeing. One person said: “Well, if we’re going to go off that cliff, let’s make sure we’re going 100 mph when we do and get it over with.” Not sure what that meant, but it sounded creepy.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Ad Lib…yes…what happens if the people you have been misleading wake up and turn on those in charge of the deception.

  • KQµårk 死神 : Yo Sally.

  • AdLib : Hey Sally!!!

  • AdLib : Kes and Bito, yep, anger would seem to be the first reaction one would expect from the Repubs, that and denial that they did anything to deserve losing.

  • KQµårk 死神 : The thing is those cuts on the social side are nebulous AdLib and don’t cut entitlements. Which means they can play allot of fiscal tricks to make those cuts not sting that much. Whereas the MIC cuts are so identifiable. It was like all the hyperventilation over the budget cuts the last few years that progressives did that didn’t affect nearly as much as they thought.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Kes and Bito..helpful. I expected reactions like you got. I wonder if Mo. is really more purple than it seems to be. I wonder if the message of the Dems being on the side of those in need is getting through. There is a LOT of anger about how the GOP block the Veterans Jobs Bill and the Farm Bill…both were major talking points in my narrative on the phone banks.

  • kesmarn : Hey, Sally!

  • kesmarn : That was one reason I tried not to be obviously “gloat-ish” around Repubs here. Wanted to re-assure them that we are not the puppy-kickers they’ve been led to expect.

  • AdLib : KQ – Yes but Congress doesn’t change until mid January so the same 2010 balance resides in The House until then…which means we may indeed need to pass that deadline.

  • SallyT : Good evening everyone!

  • AdLib : Very interesting Murph and a smart way to continue outreach. The real problem for the Repub Elite is if regular Repubs begin to recognize that Dems aren’t evil or their enemies…then the division the elite thrive on is no longer viable and they lose their power.

  • bito : AZ Is red Murph, I don’t know about mourning here, people are pissed about the counting messups.

  • kesmarn : Murph, I’m in Ohio. But I would say there is anger here on the part of the RW. And a big unwillingness to talk beyond saying: ‘I’m going to buy a gun.’

  • KQµårk 死神 : You also don’t need as many votes in the GOPTEA house that you needed in 2010 either. Boehner wold only need about 30-40 votes from his caucus.

  • AdLib : KQ – Obama and the Dems are 100% cool on the Bush tax cuts issue so if they have to let them expire, the Repubs are nailed by it. But the sequestration is a pox on both houses if it leads to job losses and social services slashing. So, he really needs to solve that math…but I’m hoping we still cut back on defense spending.

  • kesmarn : And they are weirdly oblivious to how silly they look, KQ. I heard that Beck just totally dropped any discussion of the election after the results came in and just started talking about the latest James Bond film. Total instant amnesia as usual.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Folks, am I the only one of our group who lives in a RED state (once you pull KC and StL out of the mix MO is very RED). I have started to wear my Obama/Biden Mini Button on the lapel of my jacket to get conversations going. They have been very interesting. There is a real sense of mourning here…not much anger….sorrow, pain. AND, there are many admitting they backed Obama, McCaskill, the 6 of 7 Dems who captured the top state offices….Inter esting

  • KQµårk 死神 : Oh it was [smiley] funny kes. It was like living in an alternate universe for a couple minutes.

  • AdLib : Bito – Ain’t that sweet! The Baggers have been pounded nationally…but in The House and especially in this Congress, they are the power in the Repub House, they are the tail wagging the dog. Will Joe Walsh and Allen West vote for the wealthy paying more? Probably not and they’re still there along with many more Baggers.

  • kesmarn : Hahaha! Yes, AdLib…”Rove’ s group.” They do have a lot of credibility these days, don’t they?

  • bito : G.night AB

  • KQµårk 死神 : But the whole dynamic is different than it was in 2010 AdLib. Obama and the Dems have all the cards it’s not just that the Bush tax cuts will expire automatically It’s also that sequestration cuts will hit the MIC.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Bye AB, thanks for the good words.

  • kesmarn : G’night, Frennie!

  • AdLib : Seeya AB! Sleep well!

  • bito : The baggers have been weakened

  • kesmarn : Wish I could see that, KQ. All those “Republican landslide” predictions… [smiley]

  • AlphaBitch : I’m so very tired up at 4:30 and filling in for a friend on maternity leave. It’s like getting a job as a plumber then having to rewire the house. I’m out! Love to all.

  • AdLib : Kes – Obama’s SuperPACs are still out there…I imagine that since they’re advocacy groups and still have money I assume, they could go to town on campaigning for this. Of course, so could Rove’s group.

  • bito : You are probably 90% right KQ

  • KQµårk 死神 : Lawrence O’Donnell is playing all the Faux News Nostradumbarse predictions. It’s almost as funny as a Jon Stewart show.

  • AdLib : KQ – In a way it’s Kabuki Theater but it’s also the way negotiations have to proceed with this batshit Repub House. And, the Baggers could still move to prevent any agreement from coming to the floor.

  • bito : Then that is why I say to back Boehner now and put him in a box that he is for revenue. No one has given up anything but the speaker, he is the one who has to make accommodations

  • kesmarn : I hope people are paying attention, AdLib.

  • KQµårk 死神 : Gotta admit this whole financial cliff thing bores the shite out of me. In the end the rich will end up paying more some way some how. Obama knows he has all the cards so it’s just how long the Repugs want to make themselves look bad. It’s all kabuki theater but Obama has the big stick.

  • AdLib : Kes – That’s going to be hard to do when The Senate has already passed this bill and Obama made clear today, he’s ready to sign it, all he needs is the Repubs to pass it in the House.

  • AdLib : And come to think of it, it could be $100 per paycheck on average with the payroll and income taxes going up…not to mention the AMT!

  • kesmarn : Of course, FOX will spin it as “Obama just raised your taxes.”

  • AdLib : True Bito. Can you imagine the fury of the public at the Repubs who are refusing to cut their income and payroll taxes because they want the wealthy to have cuts? It will be a massacre!

  • bito : That’s fine AdLiB. The threat stands ther automatically by not doing anything, right?

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Ad Lib…Lawrence O’Donnell has changed his “go of the cliff” meme to “step off the curb” in recognition of this more accurate understandng.

  • AdLib : The increased taxes on the middle class will be felt, maybe an average of $50 per paycheck, and I can’t think of a way to better motivate the public to attack the Repubs and hammer them into submission…the n making the tax cuts retroactive will put that money back into their pockets.

  • kesmarn : I saw one analyst who said that the fiscal cliff — in a sense — pits the health care industry vs. the military industrial complex. Each is hoping the other gets way fewer dollars. There may be something to that. Godzilla vs. King Kong.

  • AdLib : Murph – So true, once again we have a phony construct by the media and the powers that be that is a fake crisis. Nothing of great consequence happens on 1/1/13. It is a cumulative thing over time so Obama’s waiting out the Repubs is absolutely fine as a strategy, if he can’t get real cooperation beforehand.

  • bito : Obama can stand tough and smart both at the same time. He hasn’t given up anything

  • AdLib : Bito – Actually, today Obama just said he wants the wealthy not to get a tax cut…but he didn’t say anything specific about insisting they have their rates go up to 39% which was smart. He should indeed be open to revising the tax code to get the same revenues even if their nominal rate is 34%. But…he should hold over their heads the threat of an increase in the gross percentage.

  • kesmarn : There’s nothing like being in a position in which you don’t have much to lose. Without worry about re-election, the Prez is in a good place to get tough.

  • bito : You keep reading more into it AdLIb, where/who says “only” revise the tax system, no one that I know of. That’s just a part

  • MurphTheSurf3 : The FISCAL CLIFF is a scary, buzz phrase and not accurate. The impact of going off this “cliff” will be a slow motion fall down a gentle slope. It can happen and be reversed in phases, bill by bill. I suggest that Obama letting it happen is a very good way to do….you get rid of what you do not want and pack back what you do.

  • AdLib : Kes – That’s the course I’m supporting as well. There is no way Obama gets hurt by standing tough and insisting that the Repub House approve tax cuts for the 99%. And the only way the Repubs who signed Grover’s pledge will sign on is if they are de facto voting against cutting taxes. This is a way to hang them on their own petard.

  • bito : Obama already has refused the Tax cuts AdLIb

  • kesmarn : Kalima posted a Krugman article on the need for toughness this go-round. He said even if the Repubs hold out up to and beyond the fiscal cliff date, Obama has to call their bluff and stay strong.

  • AdLib : Bito – If Obama and the Dems back Boehner’s plan to only revise the tax system, they are walking away from the threat of increasing taxes on the wealthy to 39%.

  • bito : I can’ t even see where youare coming from Ad Lib. I’m just saying to back the Speaker with his new revenue .Obama hasn’t given anything away

  • AdLib : Bito – I believe in negotiating from a position of strength when you have it. Right now, Obama stands firm on increase of taxes for the wealthy and TCs for the 99%. If that doesn’t happen by Jan 1, the taxes go up on everyone and Obama and the Dems point at The Repubs in the House as the reason why…since the Senate has already passed the tax cut for the 99%. Obama could really campaign with the public against the Repubs in The House refusing to cut their taxes and they would be destroyed. I don’t know if they’re ignorant enough to force him to go there but he should be prepared. He has to deliver on real tax increases on the wealthy and he has all the leverage to do so.

  • bito : Obama hasn’t said he was giving up anything.

  • KQµårk 死神 : [smiley] AB

  • KQµårk 死神 : I think comprehensive immigration will pass though because the chamber of commerce wants it and the GOP could swallow that pill. Of course it will have some stupid GOP things like a tag back provision and building bigger fences but it should pass.

  • bito : Wher do you get that Obama is giving up any increase AdLib?

  • bito : and Cantor was the one that screwed it up last time. Knock him out of the box sooner.

  • AdLib : Bito – If the Dems all endorse Boehner’s vague “tax reform” thing, it is throwing away the tax increase. Then if the tax increase takes place, the Dems and Obama will be called dishonest.

  • AlphaBitch : KQ: My favorite new term – don’t remember if it was Stewart/Colbert/ Miller – was the term “Vagistan”.

  • bito : I don’t see whre anyone is giving up the tax rise AdLib

  • AdLib : Bito – Once Obama openly gives up the increase, he will be pummeled by the Repubs as a liar if he tries to bring it back.

  • KQµårk 死神 : Minority pops are growing fastest in GA but because of the Baptist industrial complex women don’t have much of a choice here.

  • AlphaBitch : That’s where the battle will get REAL ugly – here – when someone like Julian, who is well respected and well loved will have to battle P. Bush, who will be UNBELIEVABLY funded with the Bass family et al.

  • bito : They aren’t givinf up the biggest Chip Adlib, the Jan1 is their biggest chip

  • AdLib : Bito – But there is no box. Remember, Boehner agreed to that grand bargain then killed it because the Baggers refused it. Boehner can’t necessarily deliver. I don’t believe in giving up the tax increase on the wealthy except for a very specific list of deductions that will be taken away from them and equal at least the 4% increase.

  • AlphaBitch : I meant, Tiene Latinos?

  • AlphaBitch : Poor KQ. Do you have “Latinos”???

  • KQµårk 死神 : AB I live in a state so Red all the cats are free range kitties.

  • bito : That’s why Boehner has to be backed right off

  • AdLib : Hey Bito! I responded to your comment on that, I don’t think that’s the way to go right now. You don’t give up your biggest chip for a vague offer from Boehner. We give up the tax raise on the 1% now and Boehner just pulls back his offer, then we’re screwed.

  • AlphaBitch : Ad: It will be hard with all the gerrymandering. Plus the dems here are like herding cats. No cohesion.

  • bito : Better now k’es and put Cantor in a box

  • KQµårk 死神 : bito I was thinking today most stuff that’s gonna pass the house is gonna be 15-25% GOP and majority of Dems. It could work until they replace Boehner with Cantor.

  • AdLib : AB – It was as much if not more fun for me to host the chats, my pleasure, sincerely!

  • kesmarn : But I don’t wanna back Boehner, b’ito… [smiley]

  • AlphaBitch : Kes – I’m pretty sure Queen Ann could light the fireworks with the flames coming from her tear filled eyes. Seriously? Waterworks and flames? I gots to learn that one.

  • kesmarn : Oh goody! “Because it IS America!”

  • AdLib : AB – I heard that the estimate is around 12-20 years before TX could turn blue. Won’t that be amazing and hilarious!

  • AlphaBitch : Frennie: I ordered the stickers on WEdnesday. Two weeks and they will be here and I’ll send you one.

  • bito : I think this is a great time for the Dems to back Boehner, KQ

  • AdLib : Murph – Weakening the opponent in his area’s of strength is a worthwhile strategy and complimentary to building up one’s own strengths. Very well executed by McCaskill. What a margin to have won by!

  • kesmarn : D’you suppose we could get some cheap fireworks from Mitt when McConnell is defeated on the tax issue?

  • KQµårk 死神 : Kes that really is the smart way to vote.

  • AlphaBitch : AdLib: I would like to thank you for hosting the live blogs during debates and elections and all that. It’s a refuge.

  • KQµårk 死神 : BTW Obama looked great today. I love the defiance. Force the House to vote down the middle class tax cuts.

  • kesmarn : Exactly, KQ. “If’n I don’t git it, I’m a-votin’ no.”

  • MurphTheSurf3 : AD Lib…HaH!

  • AlphaBitch : Which is why they will run P. Bush for sumpin.

  • kesmarn : You can do it, Texas!

  • KQµårk 死神 : That’s a big GOP tactic kes. People seldom vote for referendum they don’t understand.

  • AdLib : Murph – My enormous head actually acts as a shield from all kidding.

  • AlphaBitch : Do you guys realize Texas was 60-40? Eleven percent more, and we flip.

  • AdLib : KQ – And the gerrymandering in this cycle pitted Dems against each other as well. Next cycle, I think there could be a better chance for Dems to make more progress.

  • kesmarn : The boy is wonder-ful, AB!

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Ad Lib…the McCaskill rural strategy is now official…the campaign admits that they intended to go into red territory and to pull automatic votes away from Akin using skilled operatives and volunteers. I think that I and others I know were pulled in by that strategy. it seem odd how quickly it happened. You nailed it. All part of the plan.

  • AlphaBitch : Kes: How’s the boy wonder??

  • kesmarn : And Ohio voters had a chance to address that gerrymandering thing, KQ, with issue 2, but the bill was so long and badly worded the average voter couldn’t figure it out, so it was voted down.

  • AlphaBitch : C’mon baby light my fire…..

  • AdLib : AB – My Gravatar actually shows my head exploding…you don’t think that’s a premonition?

  • AlphaBitch : Ad: What’s the title? How Big Is My Head??? (Kidding) DO tell!

  • AlphaBitch : Big Daddy AdLib: Murph tattled!

  • AdLib : AB – Ssh, you’ll jinx my new MSNBC show!

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Ad Lib…the gang is picking on you for your brilliant insight re. McCaskill strategy in the hinterlands of Mo.

  • KQµårk 死神 : The only reason Dems didn’t win the house was because of gerrymandering. Again Dems won the PV there as well. In state races is where the dark money hurts Dems the most.

  • AdLib : Murph – Yes, I saw that story, very cool! Ii know it was anecdotal but it was the preponderance of such anecdotes that to me, seemed to represent an undeniable pattern. Now all I need is a computer program and I can be Nate Silver’s nerdier brother!

  • kesmarn : [smiley] You make-a me laugh, Frennie!

  • AlphaBitch : It’s Oklahomophobe, Frennie. Need I say more?

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Ad Lib…Silver is more than a little cool about this…..so many in the Species Nerd would be snorting and braying….he has chosen the small smile and slight chortle. Well played.

  • AlphaBitch : SHHHH Murph. FGS, look at his whatchamacallit – avatar – the size of that crown already!

  • kesmarn : Awwww…what did po’ lil ole Oklahoma do to deserve the two of them, Frennie?

  • MurphTheSurf3 : AB…but giving credit where credit is due….

  • AlphaBitch : Let’s buy Karl a ranch near the Beckster. In Oklahoma, preferably.

  • AdLib : I’m glad Nate Silver was vindicated and is now a celebrity…for believing in science and math! After all the RW blather against science and math, it’s a real good slap down.

  • AlphaBitch : Murph: shhhh!! I don’t want AdLib to get da melon head like Scalia or Rushbo.

  • kesmarn : And I caught a reference to the psych ward by c’lady. Does she live next door to Karl Rove?

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Ad Lib…did you notice my comment re. the Post Dispatch story- you guessed a while back that the level of action in my little country county was no fluke….right as usual

  • KQµårk 死神 : Hey AB and kes!

  • AdLib : Good luck, CL!

  • AdLib : Hey Kes!

  • AlphaBitch : Frennie!!

  • kesmarn : Hola, Planeteers! Was just having a chat with the son about Nate Silver when KQ posted that. Was so pleased to see Silver’s rationality vindicated!

  • AlphaBitch : KQ: I’d vote for Nate. When you’re right (but not right wing), you’re right.

  • AlphaBitch : So bito – you sent me the George P. Bush filings. I’m telling you – he’s making a run for the Hispanic vote and they hope to use him to counter Julian. Of course, there was that near-arrest in 1994.

  • KQµårk 死神 : Wow CL good luck.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : AB…and as I noted before..I SOOO admire you for doing that…my temporary setting aside of my day to day life for the election is small when compared to your decision.

  • KQµårk 死神 : Though reading the blogs the last few days I’m almost thought Nate Silver won the presidency.

  • AlphaBitch : Murph – I loved the story of their chicken shit bullying tactics. That really really pissed me off. So much so, that I plan on quitting my part time job in March to work on fighting crap like that full time.

  • choicelady : Sorry everyone – neighbors having a crisis with the son headed to the psych ward. I will be back – I think – in a bit.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : AB-+- yes I have had to deal with SB’s here…nasty, in God’s name of course.

  • AlphaBitch : Sullen Baptists are the worst.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Choice..Southern Baptist…

  • choicelady : Murph – the minister is next! What denomination, do you know?

  • AlphaBitch : Sominionist? Is that like a Semenionist??

  • MurphTheSurf3 : AB-+- most appreciated. I thought that this old war horse had galloped into battle for the last time but it was not to be. Must say that once I was there I found it enjoyable. Of course the outcome makes the memory that much fonder.

  • KQµårk 死神 : Andrew Sullivan on his blog is showing what the EV map would look like through the history of the US by way of voter restrictions. In 1850 when it was only white males Obama would have this. «link»

  • AdLib : CL – Personally, I was very pleased to hear Petraeus resigning in disgrace. He was a big reason we were in Iraq for so long with so many. And as you say, a big Sominionist who needed to be taken down completely.

  • AlphaBitch : Choice: Neener neener neener – we won. I was such a nervous nelly. I didn’t realize how very frightened I was until it was voting day.

  • AlphaBitch : Murph: Let me thank you for your hard work and continuing information to all of us. I felt so lucky to have your boots on the ground. You really inspired me.

  • choicelady : Hi AB – lovely to see you!

  • choicelady : Hey AdLib and KQ! And hello Murph – did not say that first!

  • choicelady : General Petraeus is a Dominionist supporter. I do think his is honest repentence – I think he believes he owes it to his wife and owes us public confession. He’s not the worst of the worst.

  • KQµårk 死神 : Yup in 2008 Bush only won 284 EVs and Obama won 332 and Bush won by 2.4% and Obama is now up by 2.6% and growing because the only state out in big numbers is Washington.

  • AlphaBitch : And a Merry Michelle to you, too, AdLIb

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Choice- thanks and the McCaskill strategy also explains our approach to the Lysistrata Ladies. The Ladies were at a volunteer event on Thursday that was wonderful. A number of their husband’s were there. I asked the leader of the group if their minister was there- she wagged her finger at me and said “Oh, you Demoncrats” and laughted.

  • AdLib : Hey AB! Happy Obama II!

  • choicelady : I spent some time the last couple of days counseling CATHOLIC staff people on the ACA. They really like it and are very worried about the fossilization of the church over the contraception issue. And these are folks who WORK for the church!

  • AdLib : KQ – Yep, I was thinking about that MoveOn ad. Wow…

  • AlphaBitch : Hola, bueno gente!

  • choicelady : KQ – with Obama beating Bush’s “mandate” how will these goons reconcile it all? A Black man beat a white guy? Heaven forfend!

  • KQµårk 死神 : Hey CL

  • AdLib : Hey CL! Nice to see you!

  • choicelady : Murph – I’ve told your Lysistrata Ladies story far and wide and people are SO admiring of you!

  • KQµårk 死神 : I wonder if Petraeus’ wife now calls him General Betraeus?

  • choicelady : HI! Obama won! Good to see everyone!

  • MurphTheSurf3 : There is a big story in the St. Louis Post Dispatch re. the McCaskill “Down Home Rural Strategy” as the key to her victory. It now makes sense to me why people like me were contacted to work in my rural county and to serve as organizers. McCaskill’s unsuccessful run for governor where she concentrated on the urban areas almost exclusively apparently led to this wider ranging, and harder to run strategy.

  • AdLib : KQ – Very cool stat, didn’t know that!

  • AdLib : The ACA is now cemented in, the wealthy will begin paying more of their fair share in taxes and the SCOTUS will keep its liberal seats.

  • KQµårk 死神 : Obama in a landslide. He’s now beat officially GWB’s second run with the EV and PV.

  • AdLib : Hey Murph! What a great thing to be able to say!

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Hello Ad Lib….stll on cloud nine. Barack Obama and Second Term in the same sentence…done.

  • AdLib : Don’t forget to say, “Obama Won!” or “Hi!” when you arrive!

  • AdLib : Vox Populi, our live chat about the week’s events begins tonight at 7 pm PST. Hope to see you then!

  • bito : I know I’ll have a good night I just did my meds. ;-)

  • AdLib : Sorry to hear that, Sally. Hope that a good night’s sleep helps!

  • SallyT : Good night to you both!

  • SallyT : I will do that. I hope I can kick whatever this is that I have right now. Don’t like the stuffed up head!

  • AdLib : Night Bito and Sally! Thanks for figuring this out! Have a great weekend and get lots of sleep…we’ll be up late celebrating on Tuesday night!

  • SallyT : I do know people come for the music.

  • AdLib : Bito – That’s true! The more new material there is here on the weekend, the more traffic there will be!

  • SallyT : I hope so, Bito. I get kinda lonesome on the weekends here.

  • AdLib : That you did, Sally! And thanks so much! You have a wonderful day tomorrow, have a fantastic birthday and a terrific weekend!

  • bito : I think we have a wining idea! It will bring more visits on Sundays when it takes off.

  • SallyT : Well, I ended up closing with you after all.

  • SallyT : Got it! Thanks!

  • AdLib : Sally, great! You can complete it and submit it on Saturdays or earlier in the week and we can schedule it for posting on Sundays.

  • SallyT : Okay, I will work on something and you can check it out for me and let me know for Sunday.

  • AdLib : Sally, yep. That would work.

  • SallyT : Or Sunday….

  • SallyT : So, I would set one up on Saturday and continue on that one until next Saturday?

  • AdLib : And though I think Bito’s title is a lot of fun, since we post Music Thread on Saturdays, Sunday would be a great day to post cartoons.

  • AdLib : Sally – You shouldn’t feel restricted to post anything whenever you want by making a weekly posting of cartoons. I do like Bito’s suggestion of using your latest weekly post for posting comments with cartoons you want to post throughout the week.

  • SallyT : Oh, okay, I see.

  • bito : You can still post it mid week as a comment in your weekly post Sally.

  • SallyT : And, your fingers won’t get inked!

  • bito : “Sallies Sudndie Funnies on Saterday ” :-)

  • SallyT : AdLib, I have a collection for this weekend that I have saved but there are times when one is so good you like to get it out there because of the timing. But, I am flexible and will do them any way you think best.

  • AdLib : And if you publish them on Sundays, they could be like the Sunday funnies.

  • AdLib : Sally – Just an editorial perspective, since political cartoons are very topical and timely, it might be best to have weekly roundups which you could compile through the week then publish on the weekend. That way you create collections for each week. What do you think?

  • bito : Sounds good to me Sally, What ya think AdLib?

  • AdLib : Night Bito! Take care and rest well! Great to see you here tonight!

  • SallyT : Bito, I think I would like to add them daily and others could too when they come across one. Some of those that people and the videos are so funny! That way the comments aren’t pushed down and on another page. You can always refer someone to the Humor section, too.

  • bito : Get some sleep sally and Happy B’day, I’m off to meds and beds. G’night AdLib, see you soon

  • AdLib : Hey…I thought you were going to sleep, Sally. The birthday girl should be rested for her big day!

  • bito : Or you could do it like TO/OT and just keep adding the funny things as they pop up. which either one you want.

  • AdLib : Sally, if you do it from week to week, you’ll get it down quickly!

  • SallyT : Okay, I think I got it. You know I ain’t too good at that. It took me a long time to learn how to turn on the dash lights of my car!

  • AdLib : Sally – Yep, you could do it each week like we do Music Threads each week.

  • SallyT : AdLib, like I was doing an article? Would I have to do that each week?

  • AdLib : Sally – You can compose it like any other article in your dashboard.

  • SallyT : I will be happy to do it for you, Bito! Do you guys set up an area for it?

  • SallyT : Ryan must have been in a room that Obama just left.

  • bito : Sally I think a stand alone humor post would be cool, we talked about quite awhile ago but no one ever did anything about. Looks like your the one to start it to me

  • AdLib : Just saw this in our news widget: “Paul Ryan says he ‘can smell success’ ” . What they left out: “Ryan also remarked about how amazed he was that ‘success’ came out of the back end of horses.”

  • AdLib : Bito – Agreed, CL is amazing!

  • SallyT : I try to do them at night after most have done their comments. I will be happy to do them anyway you think works best.

  • bito : Goof night C’Lady and just reading about all your work makes me tired.

  • SallyT : I try not to post too many at a time because of that.

  • SallyT : Bito, yes, I know. They push comments down.

  • bito : We need to start a separate post Sally for Cartoons and humor,don’t you think? I’ve got some ideas for it.

  • AdLib : Bito – I’ve evolved a bit in my views of Blue Dogs to be more understanding but I still have a bitter taste in my mouth from how they sabotaged the ACA and Medicare for all. Still, there is a reality that Red states won’t elect Progressives and you need 60 Dems in The Senate to pass anything nowadays.

  • bito : Night funk, night Sally, hope you both have nice weekends. GOTV!

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Thanks Sally and Happy Natalday

  • AdLib : Wonderful work, Choicelady! Thank you so much for putting so much into that prop! Hope it’s ahead in the polls! We’ll be voting for it, you know that! Sleep well!

  • SallyT : Thank you, AdLib and CL. I hope I feel happy tomorrow!

  • MurphTheSurf3 : CL best on Prop 39…I have read about it…with folks like you involved it is well represented.

  • choicelady : HAPPY BIRTHDAY SALLY!!!

  • bito : That’s the way i feel about Blue Dogs too C’Lady, I’ve had some very good ones, and two really bad ones in Florida.

  • AdLib : Murph – Or how about this, optimism is sometimes just early realism?

  • choicelady : Suddenly I’m afflicted with the yawns, so I think I will head to bed, too. For the past 2 weeks my organization has been hell bent for leather pushing Prop. 39 that closes a huge corporate tax loophole AND directs half the recovered revenue to entry level green jobs. That’s HUGE for communities of color and those never headed to college. We worked this thing to death – and we mobilized communities across the state. I’m now coming down off the high – and crashing!! See you all Tuesday – and keep calling and doing whatever you can for the outcome! Keep the faith!

  • SallyT : Night Murph, you spectacular Murph, you!

  • AdLib : HAPPY BIRTHDAY SALLY!!! Have a wonderful day tomorrow, you deserve it!

  • SallyT : Anyway, thank you CL and AdLib. I think I will sign off. I am pretty sure that Mr. T will see that I have flowers and breakfast in bed tomorrow for my BD! You all have a good night and I will be posting my cartoons over the weekend and I WILL BE HERE ON TUESDAY!

  • AdLib : Murph – Thanks for all you do! Get some rest, sleep well and dream of blue spreading across a map of the US!

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Ad and Choice….good words on both sides of the fence…so I teeter on the pickets. Good night…early morning at Lysistrata Central.

  • SallyT : Exactly, AdLib!

  • bito : If the glove don’t fit.. That’s why he wear mittens he hides everything

  • AdLib : Sally – If a Repub President killed Bin Laden and rescued the economy, they would be carving his head into Mt. Rushmore.

  • choicelady : ‘Night funk! Be well, dear heart, and get rest. See you Tuesday!

  • choicelady : Murph! Be on guard against Polly! Seriously – you’re right to be guarded. It ain’t over.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Night to Sally and Funk…dreams of victory on Tuesday await

  • choicelady : Murph – thank you for reminding people how Reagan built his strength. Then do NOT forget to remind them of S&Ls, of the 1987 crash and 10.8 percent unemployment, and that little thing called the Iran Contra Affair. He was a lying sack of shit.

  • AdLib : Murph – Optimism is sometimes just realism.

  • SallyT : Bill Maher tonight told the Repugs on his panel that if a Republican President had Obama’s record to date, they would be naming a bridge after him.

  • bito : Good night Dear AB, say hello to the Blov!

  • AdLib : Night Funk! See you on Tuesday! Have a great weekend!

  • AdLib : Sally, you’ve closed the Vox bar on many a night, no worries tonight. Get some rest and I’ll see you on Tuesday night…for a chat and a celebration!

  • choicelady : Sally dear – this is not meant to be a forced march! If you need sleep, then sleep you shall have! We will see you Tuesday we hope!

  • funksands : Folks I gotta go. Great seeing all of you. I look forward to Tuesday and happier days….

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Ad Lib…all of this is forcing me from my standing position of wary pessimism to guarded optimism….Gosh …any moment now I will turn Pollyanish.

  • bito : Like I said Murph Hoyer started the blue Dog Caucus, the reason most people don’t see him that way is that he is a solid dem first and backs Pelosi up to the hilt even though he disagrees with her fiscally.

  • SallyT : AdLib, I really am trying to stay up and close with you, as I think of it as my contribution to you. But, I don’t think I can hold on to my laptop much longer.

  • choicelady : bito – the issue about Blue dogs is this: they represent people who are who they are. They are not just “tools” but are often enormously respectful of their constituents. When they have been in office for a time, they CAN and DO move on issues toward more liberal/progress ive positions. But they have to build trust first, and I honor them for doing that.

  • AdLib : Murph and CL – Yes, to the unprejudiced eye, we are climbing out of the recession but gradually. And the 12 million jobs Romney lied about creating, is actually how many are anticipated to be created over the next 4 years anyway. And Obama will be in office to get the credit he deserves for it.

  • funksands : You got it Murph. States and the private sector got thrown the stimulus for triage, and since then have been abandoned by Congress.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Choice….Romney ‘s loyalists are still Smitten with Mitten and cannot shed the glove

  • MurphTheSurf3 : funk…I love to remind people that the keys to the reagan recovery were the lowering of interests by the Fed, huge public spending, and the tripling of the debt….they freak out.

  • choicelady : Murph — well, MITT found LOTS to hate. He just lied about what!! I know you’re shocked at that. Mitt. Lying.’

  • funksands : The revisions added another 84,000 to Aug. and Sept. too

  • MurphTheSurf3 : CL..yes and the negatives about foreclosures and bankruptcies are way down….plus the slight uptick in unemployment showed an increase in the labor force (participation rate)… what is to be unhappy about.

  • AdLib : Night AB! Sleep well and have a great weekend!

  • choicelady : AB – sweet dreams! Welcome home and see you, we hope, Tuesday!

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Nite AB

  • SallyT : Good night, AB. Have a great weekend!

  • choicelady : AB -= any time! He got blacklisted and did not work for 18 months due to his commitment. Nasty story.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : AB….and the media totally downplayed it…feeding into Ad Lib’s line…for them it is always about keeping the race tight.

  • AlphaBitch : Night Funk. Sweet dreams.

  • funksands : Night AB

  • bito : Hard to believe but Gabby had a hard time with funding because she was a blue dog, she became a darling after she got shot.

  • AlphaBitch : Okey dokey peeps. I’m out. My regular life resumes tomorrow. Hoorah!

  • choicelady : Murph – LOVED the jobs report, the consumer confidence index, the uptick in Manufacturing AND exports, the housing price increases, the housing STARTS increase – all GREAt news that caused the stupid and venal stock market to to up. And the GOP is indeed sputtering. And they keep saying stupid ass stuff that even the MSM is refuting!

  • funksands : Murph, I just tell people that this is the jobs growth you get when the private sector is doing all of the lifting without any fiscal policy of any kind from Congress.

  • AlphaBitch : Jobs report was great, Murph. What else can I say…

  • AdLib : BRB…

  • AlphaBitch : CL; So I’ll have to make his acquaintance.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Bito…Hoyer would look Blue Dog but he is very much in Pelosi’s camp…giving cover to Boehner and still moving along teh Pelosi agenda.

  • funksands : Murph, I went to her comedy tour here in Seattle with the wife, who loves her. The show was awesome, she the least funny of the whole group. But then again she’s kind of the tent pole of the show.

  • SallyT : I’ll watch her with you, AB. I like her, too.

  • choicelady : AB – I agree on both issues. But I’m in over my head with domestic concerns here, and my husband is the 30-year Mideast peace activist in the family!

  • AlphaBitch : But it was the fact Perry NEVER ONCE debated White that did White in. I would have made a video of all the drunk Texans who love to chicken dance, with a Rick Perry chicken and clucking in the background. He won’t be made fun of (if he knows it)

  • bito : Hoyer actually started the blue dog caucus so he might be able to draw just enough R’s

  • MurphTheSurf3 : WE HAVE NOT SAID MUCH HERE TONIGHT ABOUT THE JOBS REPORT….any thoughts…love the GOP reaction…”but , but, but, but”

  • AlphaBitch : Murph: I can watch her for hours, sad to say. I need the comic relief.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : AB Yes, Perry is every bit as dumb as he appears and White is every bit as smart

  • AlphaBitch : CL: There are two things I know well. AFG and Palestine. Both hard (read: losing) issues, but for some reason, I’ll take the underdog in the fight every time.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : AB…love Miller for about an hour and then she wears on me.

  • choicelady : AB – I will TRY to get myself to read his books!

  • AlphaBitch : Stephanie Miller made fun of Rush calling Christie fat today. High-larious.

  • funksands : Murph – Thanks for the reminder. Is it possible the Dems are more competitive in Texas than the Democratic party gives them credit for?

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Ad Lib…2014….ye s…but you know the GOP will be pulling the same game as they have in the last two…sabotage but the results laid at Obama’s door….in 2010 we got a GOP wave from that. Will 2014 be different.

  • choicelady : AB – no I stay away from Mideast stuff because it depresses the living crap out of me. I can take only so much of the Dominionists, and that aspect scared the bejeezus out of me as well.

  • AdLib : How does Boehner stay in control of a House that will be even more extremist? We see how the GOP turned on Christie just for complimenting Obama…if Boehner cooperated with him, I can only imagine the attacks that would come and Rush calling for his removal from leadership.

  • bito : Hoyer is possible, I think,

  • AlphaBitch : Murph: Perry would NOT debate White. White would have eaten his lunch. Perry just refused ANY debates.

  • choicelady : AB – I know they love Jews who will turn Israel over to Christians, and I think Cantor is in that league – but they do not trust Jews, do not like them, and having one in power goes that bridge too far.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Funk…same thing happened to White vs. Perry last time. He had a good chance, but no funding.

  • funksands : AB, I saw that

  • AlphaBitch : CL: Maybe it’s Findlay. can’t remember spelling GET THEM

  • bito : the whole temper of the county could make a huge change if 7 GOP house members compromised on some issues and four in the Senate. It wouldn’t win at first but it would melt the complete freeze and show that we can compromise.

  • choicelady : Murph, bito- I do’t really know Hoyer. How is he on issues?

  • AlphaBitch : Ted Cruz is a sumbitch.

  • choicelady : bito – you know, I’m OK with a blue dog Dem in charge if we get it back. Slow and steady wins the race.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Choice…the GOP has a Mormon nominee….so a Jewish Speaker? but your point is well taken.

  • AlphaBitch : CL: Did you read Paul Findleys books about Israel? Deliberate Deceptions is one.

  • choicelady : AB – good luck with getting your MIL back home. Good for you on the political education! Her vote still matters in the popular vote total!

  • AlphaBitch : Funk, you watchin’ me?

  • funksands : You know what makes me sad? Ted Cruz is probably going to beat Paul Seldon. Even though Seldon got endorsed by nearly every paper in Texas. He’s pretty hot that all of the Dem money and machinery went to go support candidates out of state.

  • choicelady : Murph – He’s NOT a ‘perfected’ Jew – not converted – which even as a Zionist makes him suspect.

  • AlphaBitch : CL; They love the Jews. Will help Jesus come back sooner.

  • AdLib : Murph – So there are only 25 seats needing to be flipped for Dems to take the House. If they could grab 20 this time around…they could take over in 2014.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Bito…I agree. How about dealing with Hoyer?

  • SallyT : Okay, guys, this is what I hope. I hope that after all these millionaires and billionaires spend all this money, they lose and we get campaign reform passed!

  • choicelady : Murph – I agree. Cantor would be an unmitigated disaster. Not the Boehner is any gift to humanity, but Cantor???? I’m wondering though how the Religious Right would deal with a Jew in power?

  • AlphaBitch : CL; Urp. No baby eels, por favor.

  • bito : Like I said last week Murph, it won;t/can’t be Pelosi, it will have to be a blue dog.

  • AlphaBitch : I gots to gets up at six and help get my mother in law ready to return to IN. I feel a bit for her; she is in her 80s and we hammered her on why a vote for Romney was just plain wrong, despite what Mike Huckabee says or Dr. Charles Stanley (yikes he is scary). Made her watch videos of Mittens lying. I think she may actually vote – in IN, which doesn’t really count – for Obama.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Ad Lib..if Cantor is in the TP gets more power and Boehner will be out forever (and probably primaried). I think he needs to challenge whoever challenges him.

  • choicelady : Good night Sabreen! FORWARD indeed!

  • AdLib : Night Sabreen! See you on Tuesday!

  • choicelady : AB – Basque food here is much better than Basque food there. Some is outstanding – but my husband inadvertently ate what we were avoiding: baby eels. Said they were good before he knew what they were. We have a Rick Steves book of phrases that INCLUDES the phrase: I don’t eat anything with eyes. It came in far too handy.

  • SallyT : I think that sounds great, AB! I hope later, we will all be singing!

  • AdLib : Murph – I haven’t been following the House races as closely but if they were to lose 20 seats, that would be huge! Still, I don’t see Boehner trying to build a coalition with the Dems. Instead, I think Boehner may be out and Canter may be in.

  • AlphaBitch : I’m going to an AMAZING concert by a 12 year old, who shames Adele when she sings. She is the daughter of a very politically connected friend. The concert is on election night. I think it is a good thing for me to do.

  • SallyT : Good night Sabreen. I will see you later.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Sabreen…from your typed words to the electoral deities will

  • funksands : Night Sabreen!

  • Sabreen60 : Well good folks I’m out and will check in on Tuesday. We got this!! Forward!!!

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Ad Lib…if there are a number of House Seat GOP losses…I count 20 now….the GOTP is going to be royally pissed….will they support Boehner. If not, will Boehner need to pull a parliamentary trick and create a coalition with Nancy (or someone fronting for her who the GOP could stomach(

  • AlphaBitch : CL: I love the BAsque food. Went to several Basque restaurants in Elko, NV once.

  • choicelady : funk – if you don’t have 60, you HAVE to be concerned!

  • AdLib : Who would have predicted Dems would win the Senate seat in IN? And Claire was expected to lose in MO. Instead of this being a gain for Repubs as originally thought, Dems are likely to increase their majority in the Senate and pick up a few seats in The House.

  • funksands : Bito, I think Heitkamp can pull it off. Berg (?) the guy she’s running against is such a plutobag.

  • choicelady : funk – it’s a wonderful country. Granada in some ways was my fave – it’s like being in Morocco. Very different feel to it. LOVED the Basque country, too – simply stunning. Madrid feels like Washington DC, parts of London and NYC – if it weren’t for the language, you’d not think you were out of the US. Lovely Beaux Arts architecture, gorgeous parks and boulevards. Excellent city all way around. Loved it all – except the food. NOT crazy about the food. Oh, well…

  • AlphaBitch : Terrific, Funk. Please take the idea and run with it. Rox would be so proud…….(dar n it. There I am talking about her AGAIN)

  • funksands : AB: Yep, I know a few people that would find that especially irritating.

  • AlphaBitch : Maybe Planet can sell it for a fundraiser.

  • bito : I like your Senate numbers Funk

  • AdLib : CL – In the Senate, that is.

  • AlphaBitch : Funk of the Month????

  • funksands : AB, you have TOTALLY given me the best gift idea!!!

  • AdLib : CL – Well…if the House remains in GOP hands, a bigger Dem majority and simple majorities still wouldn’t accomplish much.

  • SallyT : CL, my husband has always held my hand but now a days he has to to keep me up!

  • choicelady : Sally – I will look for that film. Never much liked Jane until now. She’s doing much better work these days.

  • funksands : CL, I don’t know. The bigger the majority, the less cornered Reid may feel.

  • AlphaBitch : The Blov was a little worried because I kept talking about one of my dear sister girl friends a little too much on the 6,000 mile trip. I had lunch with her today, and was saying the Blov was like “Can’t we talk about ANYTHING other than what Rox said or did?” So she is making him a calendar with a photo of her every month and one of her witty sayings. She is a real smart ass.

  • choicelady : funk – we could move mountains with 55 Senate seats IF Harry will abolish the supermajority rule.

  • bito : Yes you can AB, nYou have a huge heart! just look at all your kids.

  • funksands : CL, that sounds nice. Spain is probably #number 3 on my to-visit list.

  • choicelady : AB – you will have to share bito with me. We have history together. But I’m not possessive. OK with you, bito?

  • choicelady : Sally, AB – we women of a certain age are GREAT. In Spain the young women are lovely. The older women aren’t. Can’t explain why exactly. Does not matter – the men treat them as if they’re beautiful so they GLOW! They’re not conventionally pretty, but they are confident, happy, and know they matter. And they return the favor to the men. I saw SO many couples holding hands! It ws lovely – and my husband and I held hands, too! And they smiled at us!

  • AlphaBitch : And Funk, that’s why the ladies love you.

  • SallyT : If you get a chance, CL, try to catch Peace, Love, and Misunderstanding s with Jane Fonda. It was a little film that I don’t think was in the theaters very long. Funny though!

  • AdLib : Think back to the beginning of this election cycle. Dems were worried that we would lose The Senate and the WH. What a difference a GOP Primary and Romney candidacy makes.

  • funksands : Ab, when you are 60, I think it’s legal to love everyone.

  • AlphaBitch : Funk: I thought 284 or 292. Gut feeling.

  • funksands : I’ve got 294 for Obama. 55 Dem Senate seats.

  • AlphaBitch : Can I love BOTH Bito and Funk, AND then ADD Nate????

  • choicelady : Sally- oh yes! Wonderful film! So is “Hope Springs”. REALLY wonderful and incredibly sexy at the end!!

  • AdLib : AB – No fair! I think Nate is right, Obama will get over 300 EVs. And win the popular vote.

  • AlphaBitch : There are days, Ad, when I believe it and days when I don’t.

  • AdLib : AB – In the US, 60 is the new 40 and 40 is the new 30…so that makes you 30.

  • AlphaBitch : So did I miss the prognostications ? What will the final electoral count be? And no fair quoting Nate Silver.

  • choicelady : AdLib and funk – well of course! 60 is the new Afghan 35. Thought that was common knowledge.

  • funksands : Bito behave yourself. Turn those powers on Romney’s election servers or something.

  • AlphaBitch : Bito, you knows I lubs you bestest.

  • choicelady : AB – well there is that “learn from your parents’ mistakes’ thing…

  • SallyT : CL, I liked that movie!

  • AlphaBitch : Crap no, CL.

  • bito : Well, now I’m jealous funk, sounds like it’s time for some sabotage editing on your comments. :lol: :lol :lol: :lol:

  • Sabreen60 : Funk, If you drank a kettlebell and lived to tell the tale then I’m sure you’re in Guinness – even it was just a 10lb bell.

  • AlphaBitch : Ad – you are a cruel man.

  • choicelady : AB – went to see “Best Exotic Marigold Hotel” because the whippersnapper reviewer sneered at it. EVERYONE there came in revenge of that review. We all looked GREAT, loved the movie, and we all laughed at the same jokes. We are not our parents’ 60s.

  • AlphaBitch : Funk: Yeppers lil man.

  • SallyT : Funkie!

  • AdLib : AB – So 60 is the new Afghan 35?

  • AlphaBitch : CL: My parents did NOT vote, but I have not missed an election.

  • funksands : 60? 8O

  • AlphaBitch : Even though I really, really, truly am 60 this year, my Afghan chirren assure me that if I moved to AFG, no one would believe it and I would only be 35. Too bad I’d have to be in AFG…..

  • choicelady : Sabreen – that all sounds GREAT.

  • choicelady : Murph – I remember 1980 and the college kids who were “too good” to vote for Carter. Still peeves me! I cannot understand that. NPR story today – kids vote if their parents voted. But people HAVE to understand it DOES matter!

  • SallyT : I’m hitting the hard stuff just because it is an election!

  • funksands : That too.

  • AlphaBitch : Not to mention the bitchin’ babeness of us, Funkman.

  • AlphaBitch : Margaritas on me.

  • funksands : AB, I am honored to have fans of the quality and caliber of the intelligent, witty, thoughtful and hilarious ladies on this site.

  • choicelady : funk – we ALL will hit the hard stuff if PBO wins FL!

  • MurphTheSurf3 : funk…yes

  • choicelady : Sabreen – I am peeved no one in MSM picked up on Ann’s comments about Mitt’s mental fragility. That is damned scary.

  • funksands : Murph, those census years can build up walls of political opposition that take 20-30 years to break down. Its really sad.

  • Sabreen60 : CL, Spinning has actually helped my back and my kettlebells class is in my Chiropractor’s facility.

  • choicelady : bito – I heard the same. I think it was over a week ago, but I heard Obama was ahead in FL. One lives in great hope!

  • AlphaBitch : Hey Funkster – you’ve got three (or maybe four, if it was both Sue and Kes) fans now. Dude.

  • choicelady : AB – of COURSE I’m a “funkfan”!

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Funk…precisely so….the grapes of wrath….I had a discussion with four young people yesterday and made the same point. They are in their 20’s admit they did not vote in 2010 and are now worried about a number of GOP positions. Well better late than not at all. Still…

  • AlphaBitch : Sabreen – it was so very, very scary.

  • funksands : If Obama wins Florida, I’m hitting the hard stuff way early.

  • choicelady : funk – I think you have to make up your own description of the TB job details!

  • AlphaBitch : Bito – don’t toy with me now.

  • Sabreen60 : AB, I’m surprised that the MSM didn’t pick up on Ms. Ann’s comment about Mitt’s mental health. Well, maybe I’m not surprised.

  • bito : Florida may be out of Mitt’s reach

  • AlphaBitch : Funk: I passed one once.

  • choicelady : Sabreen – I do aerobics and Pilates and despite my back am incredibly flexible and upright. I think exercise and a reasonable diet are the keys to the kingdom. Google “90-year-old female athletes” and see how GREAT they are! Move it or lose it! I am very healthy – nothing at all wrong save the herniated discs, and my chiropractor has that under control.

  • bito : Murph, I heard he needed fifty four percent of all Hispanics Tuesday

  • funksands : I think I drank a kettleball once.

  • funksands : Murph, what’s sad is that none of this voter suppression bs had to happen. If only we’d shown up during the mid-terms the GOP wouldn’t be in control of every swing state statehouse.

  • AlphaBitch : CL: you cougar, you. Can’t remember if it was Sue or Kes, but we decided to be “Funkfans”. YOu can join our club, if’n you want.

  • funksands : CL, get me a job description…

  • SallyT : Funkie, go rake the leaves, you young snapper!

  • choicelady : funk dear – you’re in serious danger of becoming our Toy Boy.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Anyone else see Granholm tonight and her mathematical analysis re. how much ROmney needs on election day based on the early voting numbers….her point that this is fueling desperation and dirty tricks.

  • choicelady : AB – well there you go, Sally – just say you’re born on Feb. 29 and you’ll live forever!

  • Sabreen60 : Sally, we’re the same age. Suddenly, I’m scared. So I’m spinning 3 times a week and doing a kettlebells class once a week. Actually, my doctor scared me.

  • funksands : Hi AB!

  • AlphaBitch : FUNKY!

  • choicelady : Sally, AB – we’re all in the same ballpark. And we look GREAT doin’ it!

  • AlphaBitch : Sally – did she do the camel toe pants?????

  • funksands : I’m really happy to note that everyone here is older than me. I like being the youngest.

  • AlphaBitch : CL: If Sally is a leap year baby, that “6” would mean “24”.

  • SallyT : AB, my daughter went as Sally O’Malley on Halloween one year. It was a laugh all night.

  • choicelady : Sally – you’re 6 E? That’s an odd age…

  • AlphaBitch : Bito: Guess Queen Ann will REALLY have to worry about the Mittens emotional health…

  • AlphaBitch : CL: Remember Sally O’Malley from SNL? She turned “FIFTY – FIVE OH BOOK ‘EM DANO”. My GFs and I had the Sally O’Malley club and celebrated each of our 50ths. Now I’m a 60ith.

  • choicelady : AB – one of Mitt’s own staff outed him on the ‘donations’ giving things the STAFF had bought TO people to pretend donate to Mitt. these people are beyond awufl!

  • bito : I don’t know how they’ll spin that one AB, especially Mitt.

  • Sabreen60 : Murph, This ad is beyond desperation. I guess they’re just throwing everything against the wall at this point.

  • SallyT : CL and AB, I am admitting to 36, with is correct if you are looking at the number in the mirror!

  • AlphaBitch : Me too, Sally. Did you see the riff on Mittens canned goods collection today? From the “valley of the (canned Mitt laughter) Giant Douchebag”

  • choicelady : AB – OMG – SO sorry Sally! You’re a lovely 25!!!

  • AlphaBitch : Bito: what will the spin be as to why they didn’t carry their home states?

  • SallyT : I really like Stephanie!

  • SallyT : Thank you, Sabreen. Yes, I am hoping my fine wine, although uncork, isn’t turning to vinegar just yet.

  • AlphaBitch : CL! Sally turns twenty FIVE tomorrow. Shame on you!

  • AlphaBitch : Had to call AT&T and ask why I no longer had Current TV. They “upgraded” us back to the status and now I watch Stephanie Miller in the mornings. So funny.

  • choicelady : Sally – happy birthday!!! You’re what – 29 tomorrow?

  • Sabreen60 : Happy Birthday Sally. Sorry you’re not feeling well. And you’re getting better, not older!

  • AlphaBitch : Ad: You didn’t put “competitive” in quotes.

  • bito : Between Romney an Ryan, neither of them will carry any state they ever lived in, that’s some real pull, eh?

  • choicelady : Murph – bito knows this: I also worked 3 years with IAM on the Eastern Airlines strike. For several weeks I made soup and brought it to strike HQ then stood the picket line while the guys ate. It was the BEST time of my life! Lucky for me, they liked the soup!

  • AdLib : So, any question that after this loss, the GOP turns farther right? I mean, how many moderates are left in their party? Their activist base is concentrated In Baggers. This could be the last competitive national race for the GOP for a while.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Choice- wonderful ideas. Will note them.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Sabreen, Choice, Sally…the Florida Hispanic Ad «link»

  • choicelady : Murph – took gold carnations to a couple having their 50th anniversary, banana bread to several widowers, articles and photos to others – always something that said thank you to them for their time, their stories.

  • bito : Sabreen I heard that that one is bombing! The Hispanics in Florida don’t care and don’t follow Castro and Chavez, what a ignorant campaign move?

  • AlphaBitch : I see his contrail above, CL.

  • choicelady : AB – funk was here, hopes to return. Probably issues. He will come back if he can.

  • AlphaBitch : Hey Sally – true, younger Cubans don’t hold as fast to the Castro “I hate big government” issue. They don’t buy into it.

  • SallyT : Sabreen, I haven’t been contributing much tonight. I am down in the weather. The last couple of days have been tough on the old bode, which by the way, because a year older tomorrow!

  • Sabreen60 : Sally, that’s what I heard, too.

  • AlphaBitch : I would so move there for the summers, CL. Incredibly nice folks.

  • choicelady : Sabreen – NO! I’d NOT heard about that ad!!! How incredibly stupid.

  • SallyT : Sabreen, I heard about that. I also heard that younger cubans think it is silly. They are not afraid of the old boogie men.

  • choicelady : AB – I lived in or spent lots of time in all those places, so I share your concern. You did NOT bring Texas cooties! It’s the climate deniers who did that!

  • AlphaBitch : Where’s my Funkman????

  • Sabreen60 : Hi Sally. I didn’t know you were here :)

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Choice- my strategy as well…and my natural impulse. Like your gift approach….terr ific.

  • AlphaBitch : Aside from the Cubanos aqui, all Latinos who can are voting Obama.

  • Sabreen60 : Oh, didn’t anyone hear about the Romney ad running in FL that links the President to Fidel Castro and Hugo Chavez?

  • AlphaBitch : Hey there fearless leader.

  • AlphaBitch : We drove 6,000 miles. Went to NY (Niagara, not to be confused with Viagra), Vermont, Maine (Bah Hahbah), Montreal (where we attempted to surrender passports and seek asylum from stupidity), Massachusetts and Rhode Island. Lovely, lovely. Fine people, ‘cept a carload of Virginians.

  • choicelady : Murph – I think we instinctively understand what Lakoff dicusses on “moral messaging” – finding that key ground we share with others and respecting them for sharing it with us. Then you can move on from there. You did that also with the gifts you give by helping people find health care coverage. I did a lot or oral history work – and I never showed up at people’s homes without SOMETHING to give them in exchange for their giving me their lives. I’ve had other historians sneer at this – but honestly I get stuff and develop ongoing relationships they will never have. It’s all about being human and seeing other people’s value.

  • AdLib : Hey Sally and AB!

  • MurphTheSurf3 : AB…the coast for sure, the last minute efforts to Get Out the Vote, the battles against those who are trying to subvert the democratic process etc.

  • Sabreen60 : Hey AB!

  • bito : I’ll look AB, been sorta out of the loop with most things especially my email, sorry

  • AlphaBitch : Hi Sabreen!

  • AlphaBitch : Hey Murph – what’s being supported? Aside from the East Coast and Mittens, I see nothing in need.

  • Sabreen60 : It seems as though I missed saying good nite to those who left while I was away :(

  • AlphaBitch : Yes I am home. I feel just horrid about what has happened to those lovely, lovely places I was just lucky enough to visit. Feel like I “brung the Texas cooties” to ‘em. I wanted to pledge tonight at the bene, but threw a party.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : AB…welcome to tonight’s support group.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Choice….there are a number of us here on the Planet who speak the same language and your backstory reinforces why this is so…thanks.

  • choicelady : AB! How are you! WHERE are you? Are you back home yet? How was the trip and did you get caught in the storm?

  • AlphaBitch : Hi Bito. did you get the email? I can send a photo!

  • bito : Hello AB! Good to see ya!

  • choicelady : AdLib – we will be here when you return!

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Sally…blushing ….I was also trained in community organization and group facilitation…. treat people like comrades, friends and fellow travelers (I know, socialists!) and a community develops. I think that is what draws people together. There is a meanness about GOP gatherings (compare the RNC and DNC conventions). AND I do love it.

  • choicelady : Murph – I remember you said that’s your background. Mine as well though I taught more sociology/politi cs with Global Capital but also did Labor History. I loved teaching, and yes, stories matter. I do that in trainings around CA that I do now – helping people learn how to advocate and “speak truth to power”. I make them see they CAN do it by using funny and interesting stories of successes others have had. It works wonders to underpin critical issues. And you’re doing it for us now! Thank you!

  • AlphaBitch : Well hello buena gente!

  • SallyT : Even tonight, Nate Silver said that state races were hard to measure.

  • SallyT : I am not surprised that there are spectacular stories there because Murph is working in the place and he is pretty spectacular himself!

  • bito : Night Ralph, get all the fellow at the race track out to vote, especially those shop fellows. ;-)

  • MurphTheSurf3 : CL..I am a retired history prof specializing in social history and I look for the stories. My classes filled based on my love for the stories, and I got a lot from my students as well. When you tell the stories, the truth emerges.

  • choicelady : bito – it’s at these state race levels that Nate is NOT very good. State aspects of the presidential, yes. NOT of the state races per se. Keep the faith!

  • choicelady : Murph the stories you’re giving us from your ONE headquarters are simply spectacular. I cannot think they are isolated. But wow – they are totally inspiring!

  • AdLib : I have to pop away for a few minutes, BRB in a little bit!

  • bito : I want Nate to be wrong on one pick of his, the Senate campaign in AZ!

  • AdLib : I do think that in seeking a closer race, the polls and MSM have been undercounting and underestimating the Latino, women’s and youth vote. I wouldn’t be surprised to see a more decisive victory for Obama than has been told to us by the MSM.

  • choicelady : Good night Patsy! Have a good weekend!

  • choicelady : AdLib and bito – I am soooo hoping Nate is right!

  • MurphTheSurf3 : CL….work the phones for them….I have to tell you…a little old lady (literally, country folk) came to the office today saying she wanted to volunteer but could not make phone calls. So we got her working on mailers. She turned out to be 86 and had decided to vote for McCaskill because her great granddaughter asked her to. So, since she was going to vote for her…”I read up on her….my kind of woman….” I could see how proud she was. Wonderful.

  • PatsyT : I have to turn in early… up early with kids in the am… Till election Day … GOTV! Good Night all

  • AdLib : Bito – I really am hoping that Nate Silver’s prediction is on the money, if Obama wins over 300 electoral votes, we won’t have to deal with the potential madness the OH vote could become.

  • bito : Night Susand 900 seemyou on twitter.

  • choicelady : Hope to see you again funk!

  • choicelady : Goodnight KT -see you tuesday! Sleep well!

  • funksands : Be back in a bit…hopefully.

  • AdLib : CL – Exactly!

  • choicelady : AdLib – your robot could hardly have LESS humanity than Michelle!

  • AdLib : Sue, rest well and have a great weekend! See you here on Tuesday!

  • choicelady : BTW Murph – my grandfather hailed from Albany, Gentry County, and my grandmother and aunt lived in KC, so I have legit ROOTS.

  • bito : Looks like it’s g’night OHIO, Good night k’es, Good night KT. The place to watch Ohio votes are the Columbus returns

  • AdLib : CL – Actually, my robot is so much like Michele Bachmann only with a bit more humanity.

  • choicelady : AdLib – I will check with my local Obama HQ as well.

  • PatsyT : Nighty Night KT all the best…

  • choicelady : Murph – trapped it on Favorites and will call over the weekend. Thank you!

  • AdLib : Night KT! See you on Tuesday for our Live Blog and Live Chat on the election!

  • choicelady : ‘Night Sue! See you here Tuesday!

  • SallyT : Night to you Sherlock!

  • SueInCa : Oh Night all

  • AdLib : Night Kes! Have a restful weekend if you can!

  • SueInCa : I think I am going to shut down too. If I don’t see you all this weekend, I will catch up with you on Tuesday. Cannot think of a better place to get the returns than right here

  • SallyT : Good night, KT! See you later on here!

  • choicelady : kes – have a lovely weekend! Hope to see you here Tuesday if you can join us! <<<<HUGS>>>>>

  • bito : Saw a poll with Clair up 5 now, hope she wins by 10!

  • MurphTheSurf3 : CL….here is a link «link»

  • AdLib : Bito – You do a great deal! We do have tens of thousands of readers here and many on Twitter who recirculate your tweets. You do what you can…and that’s not an inconsiderable amount!

  • SallyT : Good night Kes and good weekend to you, too.

  • SueInCa : night BFF the texts are yours for the taking

  • choicelady : AdLib – GREAT that you converted a Republican into a REAL robot. Does it look like Bachmann or would that be too creepy?

  • KillgoreTrout : Well good Planet Peeps, I must say good night! Take care all. This time next week we’ll have a blast!

  • PatsyT : Nighty Night Kes !

  • kesmarn : Well,dear friends,I must say good night. I hope you all have a great weekend.

  • choicelady : Murph – I will do it! thank you!

  • Sabreen60 : BRB

  • funksands : Murph, its pretty easy to do it.

  • choicelady : bito – I am with kes – you do miracles!

  • AdLib : CL – My mother is here in CA and she mostly gets CO and NV numbers to call at her Obama GOTV office.

  • SueInCa : Murph is it registered Dems?

  • choicelady : Sue – oh lordy – those needles are EVERYWHERE. Stepped on one once. Had thick soled shoed, but it was scary. I believe in needle EXCHANGE – it gets them off the street, out of dumpsters, out of the ivy. They suddenly have value.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : CL….yes. You can make calls for Claire. Go to her website and the volunteer links. It will give you choices. There are shifts you sign up for. You connect via the internet to an active list page and then the page calls you. You report each call on the page and it keeps connecting you to the next caller.

  • AdLib : CL – Yep, I’m talking about an actual robot, the one that programs this site and plays chess with me. It was originally a Republican voter but I reprogrammed it with information.

  • PatsyT : Kes and Bito YES the online tweeting is awesome…

  • KillgoreTrout : Da Lotto, Ha! I never heard that one before.

  • SueInCa : Bito you find other ways to help out. You are so engaged it makes me feel incompetent

  • choicelady : kes – it was in some warehouse/indust rial area. The restaurant had spaghetti with garlic toast – and the “toast” was garlic flavored Wonder Bread. Can’t say they lied. It was pretty weird. I DO understand the drive to self medication in desperate people. Not sure I’d be any different.

  • kesmarn : b’ito you ARE doing something when you Tweet!!

  • kesmarn : ‘Zactly, KT. Or “Big D” or “Da Lotto.”

  • SueInCa : CL we played bocce ball at the waterfront park in Martinez and found needles in the ivy that surrounded the courts. We had to watch the kids real close

  • bito : I do wish I was healthy enough to do something, I miss it, even phone banking. ;-)

  • AdLib : Patsy – You are welcome to borrow the PlanetPOV Robot. Just reserve it and you can have it feed you pizza, walk the dog and do Mitt Romney impressions (very easy for it).

  • choicelady : Murph – any way for those of us in CA to get call lists in MO?

  • KillgoreTrout : kes, they call that hillbilly heroin! ;)

  • kesmarn : c’lady, I think I can imagine what Day’s Inn you were staying at. It is sad,but it’s how some people cope.

  • SueInCa : I missed the story, was there a link? I am so slooooowwwwww

  • choicelady : AdLib – wellll, just so “robot” is not some euphemism for a very wonderful woman and girl I know who are close to you! A REAL robot? FINE!

  • kesmarn : This is Oxy and Dilaudid country, AdLib. What can I say!?

  • MurphTheSurf3 : CL..the metro areas need every worker they can get to do GOTV. Happy to take help. What do you have in mind.

  • PatsyT : Hey I want a robot that feeds me Pizza… can they take the dog out too?

  • choicelady : kes – I honestly believe you, but I’d just NEVER thought about it. Toledo is the only place I’ve been where, at a Days’ Inn, I looked out the window (ground floor) to find a needle left there during the night. My husband and I checked out.

  • KillgoreTrout : LOL!

  • AdLib : Kes – That’s funny…though I suppose it shouldn’t be.

  • bito : funk it wasn’t aimed at people that have been working, it was aimed at everyone who wants a win and hasn’t done any work

  • SueInCa : Let me clarify the statement, because of the external poll workers, my people were great

  • AdLib : CL – I will have my PlanetPOV robot feed me pizza and hold up my drink’s straw as I type nonstop all night!

  • kesmarn : c’lady, the crazy thing is: it’s true!

  • choicelady : Murph – any way to help GOTV in MO from another state?

  • MurphTheSurf3 : bito- GOTV is SOOOOOO important…work ing it the next four days.

  • kesmarn : There you go, KT. People here are all about overmedicating.

  • SueInCa : but the workers have addtnl work after the polls close. I was a supervisor and I hated the job.

  • AdLib : Bito – Good point, 4 hours on GOTV can only be a good thing!

  • choicelady : kes – that is the funniest thing I”ve ever read about nursing!!!

  • funksands : Kes: «link»

  • KillgoreTrout : I was over medicated once before a minor surgery. Whoooopie!

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Sue- No…local folk who have lived here for a long time make the best watchers and judges…they have cred I do not have. So….in any case polls here tend to close shortly after the posted hours, lots and lots of early AM voting….and the polling places close up shop very quickly. I have few complaints about how the polls work here.

  • funksands : Ad, even better! :-)

  • choicelady : bito- that’s a superb suggestion. Here though we don’t have early in person voting, so I think I’m in for a longish day. Probably will go over to Sac Labor Council to help phone. Once they dragooned me into precinct walking though…HATE that with my back.

  • kesmarn : funk, in the Toledo area it’s impossible to overmedicate anyone. You never get anywhere near their home doses.

  • AdLib : Funk – I like that idea! Maybe we add a little charity angle to it, everyone who wants to join the pool to guess electoral vote count agrees to donate to the Red Cross for disaster relief for Sandy victims? The winner receives a PlanetPOV Morning Blog mug.

  • funksands : Bito, I put in my last two hours today. I’m done.

  • SueInCa : True dat Patsy

  • PatsyT : Great Idea Bito!

  • funksands : Kes, just don’t accidentally overmedicate anyone while checking your phone.

  • SueInCa : I am ok with any time Adlib, no workee for me, just tending to my daughters needs that day

  • KillgoreTrout : I think it might take two or more days for the final count.

  • choicelady : AdLib – 4:00 sounds good to me if it’s good for you. Can your lovely family supply you with food and drink while you keep us going?

  • PatsyT : Kes and Sue – Breaks- as in broken arms and legs send to xray

  • SueInCa : ok bff i can text you and you can slip into the broom closet

  • bito : A request/ suggestion from the Obama camp. Everyone spend 2 hours to GOTV from now to Tuesday, just 2 hours could work wonders if everyone did it.

  • funksands : Ad, 4 sounds civilized enough.

  • choicelady : KT – well, one can pray it stops him up forever. Ow!

  • SallyT : Well, the election will be over by the time they get to Oregon……

  • AdLib : So folks, should we start the Live Chat at 4:00 pm PST? Earlier?

  • SueInCa : Murph are you a poll workera? If so you will not get out before 9 or 10 your time. In june we left at 9″45 finally

  • KillgoreTrout : HA! CL, let’s hope not!

  • kesmarn : BFF…what are breaks?

  • funksands : Ooo! We should have a “closest to the pin” contest for electoral votes and Final Dems Senate seats. Winners get a PlanetPOV mug

  • choicelady : AdLib – I know Magic Underwear is supposed to stop knives and bullets – does it stop loss of sphincter control?

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Ad Lib…I will join you all at the end of the polling day in my county….the lines will not be long and most will vote in the AM- farm country. I will joint when I get home. No election night party for me….too hold for that nonsense.

  • SueInCa : Kes I can text you so you can read on breaks

  • funksands : I’m taking off work at noon so I can start celebrating

  • choicelady : AdLib – I’d go earlier. We need to get warmed up. I’m not sure WHAT I’m doing election day. Hubby is actually working, but I feel impelled to make calls or something.

  • kesmarn : Predictably…I am scheduled to work. Am requesting on-call if they can pull that off though.

  • AdLib : Hey Funk! Guess Mitt will really be putting that magic underwear to the test on Tuesday.

  • SueInCa : 5 is good for me, I can sit in the living room with my new and improved laptop with a great battery

  • funksands : Earlier!!!!!!!!

  • KillgoreTrout : Oh darn, they would go so well together.

  • choicelady : Hey funk!

  • funksands : Patsy, that’s awesome.

  • AdLib : Sue – Yes, there will be an open thread on the election all day and a Live Chat open beginning at 5:00 pm PST, when the first polls begin closing…unless folks here would like it to start earlier? What do you think Planeteers?

  • kesmarn : Hey,funk!

  • choicelady : Oh Sabreen – I am VERY familiar with the Delphi issue! KT – you MIGHT be able to get away with the mask,but like NOT the sign.

  • funksands : Howdy everyone!

  • SueInCa : Hello Funkster

  • SueInCa : Just think if he won, they could impeach him right away Sabreen

  • Sabreen60 : Hi Funk!

  • PatsyT : I hope everyone takes a camera with them, thats all I gotta say

  • choicelady : AdLib – last Lame Duck Obama wrought near miracles (unnoticed by the effing EmoProgs) getting a deal that had 86% of what WE needed and 14% of what the rich wanted. He likely can do it again if we win big for him and narrow the seat control for the House.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Funk…greetings .

  • SueInCa : Yea I heard that one Sabreen

  • PatsyT : Funk I think some of us are wearing this «link»

  • KillgoreTrout : Hey Funk!

  • SueInCa : I like that KT

  • KillgoreTrout : Could I wear an Eisenhower mask with a t-shirt that says LAST DECENT REPUBLICAN ?

  • SueInCa : My “step daughter” is a real potty mouth CL and she said it took all her strength to stay quiet

  • funksands : Hello everybody. 4 days to go. Everyone have their “I Love Kolub” shirts ready?

  • bito : I can’t find right now Murph.

  • choicelady : AdLib – I think you could get away with that…

  • Sabreen60 : My mistake. It’s Delphi and Romney’s being investigated. «link»

  • AdLib : So when Obama is re-elected, do you think that this Congress will vote to restore the tax cuts for the 98%? Seems like a good strategic move for the Repubs. In Jan, they can then “blame” the last Congress for doing the wrong thing and not cutting taxes for the wealthy.

  • SallyT : Well, there is nothing wrong with jet black hair like Elvis’ momma!

  • SueInCa : Will there be an open thread on Tuesday Adlib?

  • choicelady : Sue – when grown ups (and this is stretching the man’s status) refuse to deal with kids, they are BEYOND HOPE. Dissing a kid on Halloween candy over a MASK???

  • choicelady : Sally – the other alternative is champagne color. Not any better.

  • AdLib : CL – How about if I just wore a suit and had play money falling out of my pockets then moaned about my tax cuts going away?

  • SueInCa : Or that nice cool Pink tint Sally

  • MurphTheSurf3 : bito…I will look

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Ad Lib….re. voting in a mask….NO

  • SallyT : I think it should be against the law to have blue hair!

  • SueInCa : Adlib a dude in Nevada refused to give candy to a kid with an Obama mask

  • choicelady : AdLib . No. No masks. No declaration of your intent. All no-nos.

  • KillgoreTrout : Patsy, wear it under another shirt, and when you’re done voting, take off the top shirt!

  • AdLib : Can you vote in a Halloween costume? What if I wore a Romney mask and voted for Obama?

  • choicelady : Sue – yes that sort of thing is no good at the polls. It IS “electioneering “. Unike the similar T-shirts worn by little old blue haired anti-abortion ladies in courts. The federal marshalls could NOT ask them to take off their clothes! And believe me – we were grateful!

  • SueInCa : LOL Patsy I wish I could come down and hang out with you

  • bito : Either TO/OT or in the twitter timeline Murph

  • PatsyT : I thought I would just hang around at the post office and Walmart wearing that

  • Sabreen60 : Hi Patsy!

  • kesmarn : B’ito, it’s true it’s a fat joke, but after all the stuff I’ve seen about Michael Moore… and so much worse.

  • AdLib : Sabreen – Adelphi?

  • SueInCa : What about Adlephi and Hi Oatsy I like the shirt

  • choicelady : bito – isn’t that the numer 11? LOL!!! You’re so smart!

  • SueInCa : Be careful Oatsy. Check the rules in your area. We were told anyone wearing election specific had to change before they could vote.

  • Sabreen60 : So will this story about Adelphi get legs?

  • choicelady : Hey PAtsy – LOVE THE SHIRT!!!

  • kesmarn : Sabreen I watch the old Hitchcock TV series on Netflix. Love them!

  • AdLib : Patsy: :lol: ! And hiya!

  • bito : The just went digital 1o1oo1o1oo1oo11o o1ooo11 ;-)

  • kesmarn : :lol: Patsy! I want one!

  • MurphTheSurf3 : By Food.

  • choicelady : Murph – indeed vote GOP when the GOP people do the right things! Missouri Proud is a GREAT way to describe it!

  • AdLib : Enjoy Foodchain! Have a great evening!

  • bito : Night food

  • Sabreen60 : Nite Food. I’m also a Hitchcock fan. His series of the 50’s run every night here during the week on AntennaTV

  • MurphTheSurf3 : bito- where is this story about Sandy’s impact on voters? Would love to see it.

  • choicelady : AdLib – oh crikey yes! And my former groups (I was on the board for several years) National Religious Campaign Against Torture is in total fear because Romney already said he WILL USE “ENHANCED INTERROGATION”! !!!

  • bito : I saw that on Twitter k’es, I thought it was funny but some one went sour and accuse him of poking fun a fat people. HuH?

  • PatsyT : Hey Guys what are yyou wearing for Election Day? Here is my wardrobe… «link»

  • KillgoreTrout : Night FC.

  • SueInCa : I agree Adlib and I think it should be finished…done. ..cut out of the landscape of politics

  • KillgoreTrout : kes, that’s hilarious!

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Sue/Choice…The GOP clerk in my county and her staff are first rate…Missouri Proud we call them. REALLY stand by their principles. While the County Clerk here did ot need my help, I made it clear that she was one of three GOP I was voting for on a long state ballot.

  • AdLib : CL – That’s good to hear. The problem though is that with The Patriot Act in place, a Repub President will have the tools to abuse. It’s a legit argument to explore, can too much power be too dangerous to have available…beca use you never know who may get access to it?

  • choicelady : food – oh Rear Window is one of my faves! Enjoy!!! Have a great weekend!

  • kesmarn : food, have fun. I LOVE Hitchcock.

  • choicelady : kes – LOL!!! When I saw the photo though, Christie was on the left so it was 01!

  • SueInCa : night food enjoy

  • bito : Cool Murph, I hope they do get tossed like a bad meal.

  • foodchain : Gotta go, watching “Rear Window” with husband. Big week for Hitchcock. Chris Hayes tomorrow am!

  • choicelady : bito – did NOT see your story on Sandy-related vote changes! I’ll go look! Thank you!

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Ad Lib- Yes, Christie is a huge (in more ways than one) ego. But, I think he was really feeling overwhelmed and Obama said- “Got Your Back.” In NJ that means a lot.

  • kesmarn : b’ito, someone said that when Obama and Christie stand side by side they look like the number “10” :lol:

  • SueInCa : Yes adlib. I am taking my daughter to vote and then on errands so we can keep busy that day.

  • AdLib : Bito – I saw that story you posted about people changing their vote to Obama because of Sandy, very affirming story!

  • SueInCa : Good Murph sounds like some really good people in your area

  • choicelady : Murph – I think, across the country, voting officials have HAD IT with groups such as True the Vote. Good for the MO officials for reminding them they could be arrested for what they are doing!!!

  • AdLib : Sue – That’s good to hear. It sure is what I seem to be feeling out there, that people are very enthusiastic on both sides to get out and vote. As for the meme about Obama possibly losing the popular vote, if Obama wins the swing states he’s favored to win, he could wrap up this election before polls close in the West. That could discourage Repub voters from voting while Obama voters would seem to be happy to add their vote for the winner.

  • SueInCa : Hopefully it will also draw attention to our poor infastructure KT

  • bito : He has a lot more spots :lol:

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Choice…I was at a training yesterday for Poll Watching. I am not doing it but I need to know what our watchers are being told. Several True the Vote types were there. They kept interrupting the trainer to correct her re. photo id, challenging registrations, not helping the car bound at their cars etc. Finally, the trainer told them that they needed to keep their organizational tactics out of the polling place or they ran the risk of being ejected or even arrested. They looked stunned. Remember this is GOPland.

  • choicelady : AdLib – the convention speech was PRE hurricane. I think Christie will always be conservative and very much so. I think he will never again be a pitbull against Obama. He really DOES have a great deal to thank the president for, and he’s not likely to forget it.

  • KillgoreTrout : If anyone on the east coast still denys climate change, they are hopeless fools.

  • SueInCa : They criticized Obama for acting in advance, you know they are just fuming

  • choicelady : AdLib – under this administration, the Patriot Act is fully Constitutional and being well handled. No violations of civil rights even for the most RW skinheads, militia folks, NO one. And they ARE alerted. They know from the Southern Poverty Law Center and others who’s who. The FBI are paying attention to my roving band of assholes, too. Not a big deal – but paying attention.

  • KillgoreTrout : Obama was ready, even before the storm made landfall. He wasted no time at all, and it’s driving the pathetic RWers crazy.

  • SueInCa : Sandy The Ultimate October surprise Bito

  • AdLib : Murph – I will keep that in mind but I also recall Christie using the word “I” in his keynote address for Romney far more than he mentioned Romney. The man is very selfish and self-centered. I just don’t believe obese leopards change their spots.

  • SueInCa : You are right CL they are calling it Obama’s Katrina with no actual proof

  • bito : Yahhoo did a story on how many people switched to Obama because of Sandy, if I didn’t post it, I tweeted it. Non scientific but they went to PBO

  • kesmarn : They’re trying to “Katrina-fy” Obama, c’lady. Ain’t happenin’.

  • SueInCa : People are helping people as they always do in NY when trouble hits. You always have your looters and bad guys but the majority are helping each other. They even had fake pics on the internet about storm damage. People are ignorant

  • choicelady : kes – Molinari’s person said they had no lights, no power – with lights in the background as she spoke. She also said roving bands of looters – and no reports have ensued. The RW is trying to make Obama look as bad as Bush – and except for the whiners, it’s not working.

  • AdLib : CL – That would be so cool, if Bob Kerrey could pull out a win in NE!

  • kesmarn : Thanks, BFF! My instincts told me that and it’s good to have it verified.

  • AdLib : CL – Yes, I am concerned about the same thing, a rise in domestic terrorism by the RR and racists in a second Obama term. However, this won’t be a surprise to the DoJ and FBI, they will be expecting that and ironically, the Patriot Act crap which I and many others oppose, will be a major tool in catching these people…hopeful ly before and not after their plans come to fruition.

  • bito : Obama’s street organization in Ohio over 3 to 1 Sabreen. They took the early vot, they’ll take the same day GOTV!

  • choicelady : Sue – that’s another “tipping point” All this hype and all this RW lying anger is making the “unlikely” voters VOTE. The amount of registration is waaaay up everywhere. And everyone – if True the Vote people challenge anyone at the polls – they have NO RIGHT TO DO THAT. They can file complaints, but you do NOT have to show another citizen your ID or prove any damn thing TO them!!!

  • SueInCa : don';t Kes my niece is there and some friends and they say not so

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Choice- NJ is a really small and crowded state- most of it is- and Christie is the kind of guy who NAILS people when the results are bad and he was looking at really bad outcomes…and then Obama came riding in and took a lot of pressure off of him.

  • KillgoreTrout : I bet Sandy changed a lot of climate change deniers’ minds. That storm was HUGE!

  • kesmarn : c’lady, Rush is playing that game of focusing on the angry people post-Sandy. “Clean this mess up — yesterday!!” types. Also the predictable horror stories about “gangs” roaming in a lawless NYC looting and pillaging. I’m not buying it.

  • SueInCa : Adlib I think it is having the opposite effect people want to vote, not stay at home. It seems that way here anyway.

  • choicelady : Murph – I agree with that. Never underestimate the power of disaster to change people. When he got what he desperately needed, he was good enough at core to admit it. I think we are seeing a sea change – not everywhere, not everyone, but we ARE seeing something honest and honorable happening. The “Tipping Point” that always comes. Always.

  • AdLib : Sabreen – It’s the last desperate move by the MSM, Obama holds onto his advantages in the swing states so all they can do to worry people and keep them tuning in is invent this “popular vote loss” meme. I call bullshit.

  • foodchain : Bito, you’re right about the qualifier

  • KillgoreTrout : Yeah Murph, I think that will be the case. I do see that Obama does indeed at least try to get bipartisnship. I think his love of the constitution compells him to do that, at least to some extent.

  • Sabreen60 : I heard Karen Finney mention on Lawrence that because of early voting Romney needs to win 54% of the remaining votes in Ohio in order to win. I think she said Romney needs to win 55% of remaining votes in CO or NV in order to win.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : A WORD ABOUT CHRIS CHRISTIE…spoke with a friend from NJ about Christie. He told me that Christie was REALLY SHOOK UP AS THE STORM APPROACHED – EMOTIONALLY EXHAUSTED – per the scuttlebutt from the command center at the capital…he got his first call from Obama and came back relieved. He thinks that Christie and Obama really connected….and that their comraderie was in no way staged or forced.

  • choicelady : bito – YES!!!! That was just GREAT!

  • bito : For a GOP, he was a good one food :lol:

  • AdLib : Bito – I think we’ll still have the “Just Say No” crowd in The House BUT…with the “Fiscal Cliff” and end of the Bush tax cuts happening on Jan 1st, they simply won’t be able to just say no. The rest of his term, Obama will need to get creative with Exec Orders (though I’m not crazy about them, it’s the only way for him to move the country forward with these baggers controlling The House). And maybe in 2014, we’ll stand a chance of taking back the House.

  • choicelady : EVeryone – may I just say that the media are focusing on angry people IN AREAS THAT WERE NOT THAT HARD HIT to say how horrible it is, no federal or Red Cross help, etc. But they won’t get it – there is mess but no damage. And these folks better learn what we in Buffalo blizzards know – you have to be prepared to take care of yourself at least 3 days. “Trust in God – but tie your camel.”

  • foodchain : Chuck Hagel was a good GOP

  • bito : Dud you see Hagel endorse Kerry C’Lady?

  • foodchain : Choice, that’s great news about Kerrey

  • SueInCa : Murph my mother is from NY and she is tough as nails.

  • SueInCa : NJ was hit the hardest of all. PG&E is back there helping them. 250 CA workers

  • choicelady : All – I’m hearing stories Bob Kerrey is drawing ahead in NE. Don’t know if it’s true, but people did like him and like him still.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Sue- I live in NJ for three years and know of what you speak.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : KT- I agree when you add in “AS” and Sue pointed out that since he will have no third term he can be brutally honest and name the pain.

  • AdLib : Sabreen – I think Obama will win both the popular vote and electoral vote. Most polls don’t poll cell phones, those are heavily Obama voters.

  • foodchain : CA is having very high early voters and a 2:1 dem registration so that should push up the numbers and places like TX and GA have GOP stats of +16% shich isn’t all that high. so the pop vote could be good for Obama

  • choicelady : AdLib – what scared the crap out of me, and you all know I have good reason, is that if Obama wins, the True Believers in the End Times are quite capable of real, serious, OK City type violence to “fulfill” prophecy. They are already signaling this – Franklin Graham, worst of the worst, said if Obama wins, it’s the End of Time. And he MEANS it.

  • KillgoreTrout : Sabreen, it’s possible, but I doubt it. I think Obama has a lot more supporters than these talking fools would let us know.

  • Sabreen60 : The MSM new meme seems to be the President may not win the popular vote. Of course, we know the MSM always has an ulterior motive – ratings.

  • foodchain : I think Obama has a lock on both the popular vote and the electoral college. I don’t see how voters get to election sites without cars, gas, power, etc and that could hold down the NY, NJ vote.

  • AdLib : CL – Some people go most mental when dealing with religious issues (just look at the GOP), maybe that’s the reason?

  • SueInCa : Never underestimate easterners Murph. They are tough. Staten Island is already live again. There are many more boroughs that were not affected than were.

  • KillgoreTrout : Murph, I should have said not AS concerned. He spent his first year, and longer, almost bending over backward to get bipartisan support. This was of course, before he finally got wise to just how nasty the GOPers were.

  • bito : I did think that might happen last week Sabreen, I don’t any longer

  • choicelady : KT – I think we will narrow the House, not likely take it back, and yes, the win for Obama and loss of seats will make the GOP HAVE to either compromise with Dems or be held up as the people interfering with progress. THAT is the GOOD that came out of Christie’s embrace of the president! People LOVE this and want more of it. If the Baggers et al. don’t get that – they are doomed. People are sick of their extremism.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Sue- So the truth will be free and wielded by the OMAN. Hmmm.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Sabreen- the popular vote is going to depend enthusiasm in the Blue States and since the northeast is awfully wet right now, I think a repeat of Gore Bush is possible

  • kesmarn : I have no science to back me up,Sabreen,but I feel he will win the popular vote.

  • SueInCa : Murph because he can point it out loudly in a second term. He does not have to be so politically correct. No third term

  • bito : Since I try to use the editorial we on twitter because it’s everyones account, CL I stay away from wing nut arguments so I don’t have any problems. sorry to hear you do.

  • KillgoreTrout : CL, I think Sandy knocked some sense into Christie’s head. It’s got to have a strong effect, after seeing all that destruction and loss of life.

  • choicelady : Sabreen – that worries me. He needs the popular vote which means ‘safe states’ MUST have huge turn out for that alone.

  • foodchain : Choice, it just keeps getting better!

  • Sabreen60 : Does anyone think the President will win the electoral college but lose the popular vote.

  • SueInCa : LOL I hear you Adlib

  • MurphTheSurf3 : KT- why do say Obama will not need to be concerned about bipartisanship in the second term.

  • choicelady : food! I’m from the Chicago area! I LOVE Chicago! Miss it like crazy!

  • SueInCa : The only time trust will be an issue is in the WH for Christie but I still don not trust him

  • AdLib : Sue – Christie is an opportunist, plain and simple. He saw it as advantageous to his career to give Obama a bear hug so he did it. He should not be trusted. You don’t get a body like his by generously letting others have the last lamb chop.

  • KillgoreTrout : Obama won’t have to be too concerned with bipartisanship in his second term.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Since Goldwater lost the GOP impulse has been to move to the right, victorious or not….the same is going to happen this time Obama win or lose.

  • choicelady : Sabreen – Christie is not going to change his core beliefs, but he MAY have been shell shocked into being more adult. Time will tell. Trust isn’t the issue – or, LOL, trust but verify!!!

  • foodchain : We’re in Chicago so we get very little

  • kesmarn : food, it is like a hurricane of ads on TV, radio,mail, phone.It never stops.

  • KillgoreTrout : Actually, I haven’t had to deal with any Romney zombies. Just a lot of GOPer junk mail.

  • AdLib : As folks are saying here, be prepared for some of the extremists on the RW to freak out when Obama is re-elected. And I don’t mean just that night or that week. The Kochs will pump millions into reviving the hatred and racism of the Baggers and try to use them to fight against Obama as they did in 2009. We will still have a fight on our hands but we will be fighting from a position of strength.

  • kesmarn : Sabreen, I missed that Christie slam against Rush. Wow!

  • bito : Thre and WI k’es, Obama hi ahead large in Wisc.

  • foodchain : gosh, Kes and KT how is it to be in Ohio?

  • choicelady : Sue – oh, man I get trolls!

  • kesmarn : I’ve read that too,b’ito.

  • choicelady : ADLib and bito – way to go on Twitter! I have been cut off TWICE for doing NOTHING. Not violated the rules. So someone is after me. I’m being VERY circumspect about my replies to things now. Took four days to be reinstated!

  • SueInCa : I just don’t trust him, he always does what is good for Christie, gop convention anyone?

  • bito : Christie saw a loser and looked at 2016

  • Sabreen60 : Sue, I appreciate Christie praising the President. But I am with you. I don’t trust him. I do like the fact that he is one Repub who is not afraid of Rush. After Rush called him a fat fool, Christie tweeted, yes I am fat and I sometimes I’m a fool, but I’m not (paraphrase) strung out on drugs.

  • foodchain : Sue, I worry about volume but these are blue states and they’ll figure out something

  • bito : Black helicopters are out now it’s Obama’s drones!

  • SueInCa : CL I don’t get trolls on twitter either

  • choicelady : Sue – I think he’s absolutely honest about THIS one thing. He’s a petty guy, probably mobbed up, but I do think he is being honest that he has been incredibly happy with Obama’s disaster response. It may be a growing up moment – not a total change but a capacity to be adult. That’s GREAT if it’s true!

  • SueInCa : Food I think they will get it done. East coasters are resilient

  • AdLib : CL – Surprisingly, we don’t really get trolls much on our Twitter account so I’m not so concerned. Must be that force field Bito constructed. Well done, Bito!

  • kesmarn : c’lady, it’s not easy with Rush, but he seems to be blowing harder than usual of late.

  • foodchain : Ad, Nate has it 80% chance of 303 for the electoral college. How the east coast votes now with no power could affect the popular vote though

  • kesmarn : I wiuld SO love it if Ohio became irrelevant, AdLib. After all the money the Kochs poured in here! :lol:

  • SueInCa : What does everyone think of Christie? I don’t trust him and I think he is more thinking of 2016

  • KillgoreTrout : So many of the low info GOPers firmly believe Obama will be the end of America. maybe so, the end of the rich white America men.

  • choicelady : kes – Rush is going berserk? How can you tell?

  • choicelady : Sue – all the “black helicopter” anti-government, anti-women, anti-abortion extremists 1992-2000 have reproduced and their spawn are even meaner than they were. Night of the Living Dead looks like a picnic compared to these purveyors of hate!

  • AdLib : BTW, OH represents 18 electoral votes. Nate Silver is projecting Obama to win 303 so even if OH got delayed, if Obama wins the other states he’s expected to win, the GOP’s plan to undermine the vote count in OH could be moot.

  • SueInCa : LOL Bito he takes awhile to warm up to some things, others he is Johnny Rocket. I will tweet some comments to PP

  • bito : Sue, I want him to get a separate account also, talk him into it please

  • SueInCa : I see Sally/Watson in the background

  • kesmarn : Rush is going completely berserk.

  • SueInCa : KT I would say more like hate. The closer it gets, the more hateful they get

  • choicelady : AdLib – not to US, but to the trolls, maybe?

  • kesmarn : Ka CHUNK! Voted!

  • choicelady : kes – I know levers! Ahhh the good old days!

  • SueInCa : oh then you all just followed me. dang i have been following you all for a year now

  • KillgoreTrout : Oh Sue, no doubt. They’ll be crazier than they already are. They are filled with such doom and gloom about Obama.

  • AdLib : CL – Er…you think it’s a secret who I’m voting for?

  • kesmarn : Sabreen, you were just channeling a little TN there with the hollows and the hollers!

  • AdLib : Sue – I tweet on our PlanetPOV account alongside Bito.

  • choicelady : AdLib – hmmm. Tweets about your vote kinda take the “secret ballot” edge off it all. Up to you, but…

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Sabreen…absolu tely. The more of us on this….the better.

  • SueInCa : go for it adlib except I don’t have your twitter account

  • choicelady : Sue – I agree. Remember the wackos when CLINTON got re-elected!

  • Sabreen60 : I meant “holler”.

  • KillgoreTrout : FC, good for you. I had to help my mom vote in the Mass primaries in Sept. She isn’t totally blind, but she’s getting ther, sad to say.

  • SueInCa : your parents sound like mine Bito

  • kesmarn : I remember those old lever voting machines, b’ito. My parents took me too, so I could learn what it was all about.

  • AdLib : Sue – I voted absentee ballot for a few years then in 2008, I went to my voting location and had my daughter put my ballot in the box. This year, we’re doing the whole thing live! Should I send tweets as I mark each box on my ballot? That’s the real question!

  • bito : :lol: k’es

  • SueInCa : I think the hate will get worse KT. They are going to lose their batshitcrazy minds

  • KillgoreTrout : I’m seriously looking forward to an Obama win next week, I can’t wait to rub it in the faces of all those really offensive GOPers. They will probably disappear for a few days, knowing they’ll have to eat crow.

  • bito : My parents showed me how to not mess around and which lever to push for straight Dem!:-)

  • SueInCa : Now they have braille voting machines. We had one in June

  • Sabreen60 : Murph, I was just going to hollow for help and link to the Free Press article when I saw your comment. I close to that edge again. I sure hope the DOJ, FBI or somebody is looking into this. Ohio has a history and this should not go unchecked: «link»

  • foodchain : my mom lost her sight, I took her to the voting booth. It was the most important vote I remember

  • SueInCa : I like mail in have been doing it for years. Last time I voted in person was 2004 in Nevada

  • AdLib : I do think the GOP plan is to so mess up and delay OH’s vote count so that in the meantime, they can try to pull a Bush and try to declare Romney the victor. Here’s the fly in that ointment, if Obama sweeps enough of the swing states…he won’t even need OH!

  • kesmarn : I was so worried about this particular election, though, I couldn’t wait to vote. I thought: if I get hit by a bus before Nov. 6, my last words are going to be “now that bastard Mitt’s gonna have a better chance…aiiiiii iii….”

  • KillgoreTrout : What’s up Bito?

  • bito : Hello all, sorry I didn’t say howdy earlier

  • SueInCa : That is cool Adlib. We had a young lady bring in her nieces to show them how to vote. They got I Voted stickers to wear back out.

  • foodchain : Everytime I see Rick Scott, I think of skeletons. Guy’s creepy

  • kesmarn : I used to do that when my kids were little too, AdLib! They loved it.

  • SueInCa : LOL Food my grandson must have talked about him at some time

  • choicelady : I vote on election day. I love it, go early, do my civic duty and rub other people’s faces in it. You know – another kindhearted person for democracy.

  • AdLib : Kes – As I did in 2008, I am going to my voting place and letting my daughter deposit my vote for Obama in the ballot box!

  • foodchain : Skeletor is a main character in Masters of the Universe, arch enemy of He-Man. comes from having boys that are 27

  • KillgoreTrout : I’ve heard that it might take a few days longer than usual to find the winner this year, due to mostly Sandy’s wrath.

  • SueInCa : oops BITO

  • SueInCa : My niece is in the Bronx and they saw very little storm effects Hi BIOT

  • bito : You’re Right AdLIb Drudge has been laffed at for week on his Big Scandal.

  • choicelady : bito – oh that is waaaay bad visuals about Gov. Scott! Ick!

  • choicelady : Sabreen – oh that IS good news! We’re relieved for you! A friend of mine near Albany, NY had the same good thing – the storm seemed to split and go around them. No problems.

  • SueInCa : There was a state senator in WI who got caught with a 16 year old boy they could not charge because it was consensual

  • AdLib : Hey Bito! Great to see you here!

  • foodchain : Sue,haha, wait I have to look it up

  • choicelady : AdLib – I know. Breitbart, Drudge, Trump – all the “in the know” scandal mongers have NOTHING. Our side, on the other hand…

  • AdLib : Sabreen – Glad to hear you got to vote when you did! Hope all is well your way after Sandy!

  • KillgoreTrout : Hey Sabreen!

  • kesmarn : That’s three!

  • SueInCa : I voted last week on MOnday

  • bito : I think he may enjoy the flogging, he looks the type/

  • kesmarn : Sabreen and I have already voted. Anyone else?

  • Sabreen60 : Hi Kes. I’m in Silver Spring MD and we pretty much dodged a bullet. We didn’t even have our power go out.

  • SueInCa : Ok don’t laugh but who is skeletor?

  • AdLib : CL – Drudge has been trying to pump up that story about a US Senator scandal for a week already. After their “breaking news” about a public video Obama taped years ago, I think they’ve lost all credibility in the MSM.

  • foodchain : KT it’s just that the 50/50 makes this hard: past vs future

  • choicelady : Oh bito – no I did not see that. And hi,dear friend!

  • kesmarn : Hi, Sabreen! Glad you got that vote in. How did you fare in Maryland? During the storm?

  • bito : C’Lady, did you catch my reply to you on the Forbes HC article–speakin g of a huge Mitt lie.

  • foodchain : Rick Scott should go the way of “skeletor”

  • KillgoreTrout : FC, in many ways, we’ve always been a divided country. I think it just seems worse now, because of the information age.

  • choicelady : Hi Sabreen! Agreed about the flogging of vote supressing governors.

  • SueInCa : KT I think I read that. I will go back and look but it was reported somewhere. I will ask my gossip friend Todd

  • kesmarn : Right…what does that say about their phony “True the Vote”? They don’t want neutral observers watching them true it??

  • Sabreen60 : Hi folks. I’m so glad I voted early before the hurricane hit Maryland. Gov. O’Malley did extend early voting until 9:00pm today. Rick Scott of FL should be flogged non-stop from now until November 6. I can’t believe how he is refusing to do anything to help prevent people from having to stand in line for 5 hours.

  • choicelady : kes – ohhhhh let Texas and Iowa just TRY that.

  • foodchain : I wonder how we will stop being a divided country. It ain’t good for us

  • SueInCa : KT if some people did not try to fix elections we would not be considered third world, they only have themselves to blaim

  • KillgoreTrout : Hey FC.

  • choicelady : AdLib – I read there’s a ‘scandal’ involving a US Senator. It was on Drudge so we can rule out the usual – the GOP who are covering up their sexual proclivities. But so far – nothing. Right up there with Trump’s HUGE revelation…

  • AdLib : Hey Foodchain! Yes, that’s so true, Obama has lucked out his entire political career in facing weak opponents. Thank goodness! A strong Repub really could have won this election!

  • foodchain : Hey choice, just too busy lately

  • SueInCa : If they try and succeed, who is gonna accept the election results. BFF nice try they are authorized by the Human rights treaty

  • kesmarn : Hey, food!

  • KillgoreTrout : Yeah Sue, that bugs me. I’m glad that there will be some neutral eyes watching, but the UN? It does sound very third worldish.

  • choicelady : Hi foodchain! Good to see you!

  • foodchain : SUe, I’ve been heller all week

  • kesmarn : BFF, I just got an email from a friend that said that Iowa and Texas are looking into arresting those UN observers.

  • choicelady : Everyone – Common Cause put out a hugely useful link for us – www.866ourvote.o rg It’s ALSO a phone number – 866-Our-Vote which is 866-687-8683. On election day you see anything wonky at your poll? CALL. They will direct one of tens of thousands of people to take care of it.

  • SueInCa : heller food

  • foodchain : hello I mean

  • KillgoreTrout : I’m pretty sure the GOP will try some sort of election shenanigans. They are extremely desperate.

  • foodchain : heloo all

  • foodchain : Ad, someone said Obama is lucky: Allen Keyes, Sarah Palin,

  • SueInCa : So UN observers will be here in the third world country of America. Way to go baggers

  • kesmarn : Hola,AL! Good to be here.

  • kesmarn : Murph, that is what we might have expected from Husted. Not to be trusted — at all. And “Hey there!” to KT,my fellow buckeye!

  • AdLib : Hey Kes! Nice to see you!

  • AdLib : Here’s something odd. I was thinking a couple of weeks back that it could be a boost for some event to happen that allowed Obama to show again what a great President he was. My thought was, maybe the killers in Benghazi were caught, a terrorist attack stopped…but then I thought, I really don’t want something bad to happen. With Hurricane Sandy, that very thing happened and gave Obama that opportunity to breakthrough the campaign BS to reveal himself as the brilliant leader he is…but the cost was and is way too much. In any case, there is a silver lining to those massive clouds but people on the East Coast have died and many are suffering so it is a mixed bag.

  • SueInCa : bff hi

  • KillgoreTrout : Ah, kes is in da widget! Hey homie!

  • SueInCa : ‘done Murph

  • kesmarn : I think you’re right, c’lady. No re-runs on hanging chads.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Kes here it is again «link»

  • choicelady : BTW – HI kes!!!! Didn’t say that first, sorry!

  • choicelady : Murph – I bookmarked the story and will send it to CATHOLIC friends of mine in Ohio – people who LIKE Obama and are grateful for his commitment to those in need.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Kes…read this article on the Ohio voting machine patch…just installed by that crook’s office…http:// www.freepress.or g/departments/di splay/19/2012/47 68

  • KillgoreTrout : Yeah, after hearing Lincoln’s name, I want to ask, OK, but what have you done for us LATELY!

  • choicelady : kes – this time the Dems have the DOJ. This will NOT fly.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : CL Spread the word.

  • choicelady : Murph – holy freaking shit. That’s AWFUL! Holder and the district US attorneys must be notified if they have not been.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : AND how about the super long lines in Florida for early voting ESPECIALLY in Democratic areas. AND Scott will not do what Christie and Bush did…extend early voting time.

  • kesmarn : Good Friday evening, friends. Heard part of an interview with Ohio Sec of State Husted today in which he said they were expecting/planni ng for a recount. I smell malarkey a-comin’…

  • AdLib : CL – Yes, the GOP’s predictions…he ll, the predictions of most pundits have been just failure after failure.

  • KillgoreTrout : Ad, yeah, there will be a paper trail.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Sue- Thanks for that…the more who know the less chance of real problems.

  • KillgoreTrout : Thanks Murph.

  • choicelady : KT – I think they’re trying to do a Molly Ivins: dance with the one that brung you. Problem is – in this case the date is a corpse. GOP ain’t been what it was in a century. Too bad!

  • SueInCa : Murph I will post that on my two election pages on FB. I belong to two groups and they spread far and wide

  • AdLib : Murph – Yes, I’ve heard about that but you can bet the Obama team has as well. My understanding is that there are paper trails on those machines so if there is any odd results, they better lock down the paper trail and count from those.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Choice…here is just one of the many links on the patch. «link»

  • choicelady : ADLib – LOL!!!! Kudos to your wife!!! Who is wonderful!

  • KillgoreTrout : Did you all see the new GOP ad telling black people to vote republican because LINCOLN freed the slaves? Unbelievable in it’s racist overtones.

  • choicelady : Murph – is the patch a fix or a rip off??? I read something that said Mitt’s kid doesn’t own the machines after all – he owns some other thing that can’t influence votes. Not clear even AFTER reading it…

  • AdLib : Sue – Yep, if he hadn’t pardoned that murderer, we very well could have been in a much more vicious fight between Obama and Huckabee and the RR.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : KT- Yep «link»

  • choicelady : AdLib – the GOP remind me of that GREAT line Ed Asner had as Lou Grant on MTM when he told her as a cub reporter he had this GREAT World War II story: the Japanese had just bombed – San Diego. That’s the GOP story on ALL predictions.

  • KillgoreTrout : Murph, software patch?

  • SueInCa : I bet I have only experienced a tropical storm in Charleston sc and Wilmington NC

  • AdLib : CL – I will send your husband a Tweet about being obedient to his wife…as long as my wife gives me permission to do so. ;-)

  • KillgoreTrout : CL, I’m in the middle, Columbus.

  • KillgoreTrout : Hey Sue, I was there last year for hurricane Irene. Whew! Scary stuff.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Did you all here about the software patch added to voting machine programming by the Ohio state government? Alarm bells are sounding everywhere…..

  • SueInCa : He blew it with the Seattle Police murderer and his greed for a spot at Fuks News Adlib

  • choicelady : KT – oh yes. All centered in Y’town. Where are you again? I lose track.

  • SueInCa : LOL CL i bet he does work for you

  • AdLib : Sue – And remember how before the GOP primaries, many were touting Huckabee as a likely winner of the nom if he ran?

  • KillgoreTrout : OH CL, I didn’t know you had family and friends in OHIO.

  • SueInCa : KT that is good, being on the coast like that could be disastrous

  • choicelady : AdLib – can you write a note to my husband? It’s not that he’s reluctant to work for me, it’s that he forgets I’m there. He has ADD…

  • KillgoreTrout : I take comfort in the fact that Obama already has more than the 270 electoral college votes needed.

  • AdLib : Murph – That is just disgusting. Sure hope our Lysistrata Ladies help bring about more women standing up to the oppressiveness of their churches and the denial of them to be fit to have their own opinions!

  • choicelady : KT – been worried about her. My friends and family in Y’town did OK, too.

  • choicelady : Murph – Peoria Illinois? Wow – that’s the baseline on conservatism. We are watching something powerful here!

  • KillgoreTrout : Hey Sue and CL. We didn’t get anything but a little wind and rain. My mom is fine, she lost power for only a day, and not trees got blown over in her yard. Got be thankful of that. Thanks for asking.

  • AdLib : Sue – Whether any man admits it or not, at various times throughout the week, they do indeed work for their wives.

  • choicelady : Sue darlin – we ALL work for you! But yes – women who have HAD IT are coming forward everywhere. Remember “Designing Women” years ago where exactly this issue – can women serve the church – arose and they all LEFT their churches? Does not work to put down half of humanity – and Jesus lifted UP women. Only the male hierarchies can’t live with that.

  • SueInCa : Shuckabee is like that they held a service where all the wives reaffirmed their agreement to be submissive to their husbands

  • AdLib : So, any doubts about Obama being re-elected? He has a ton of lawyers in OH to keep a close eye out for any monkey business with electronic voting machines or the SoS meddling.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : The BISHOP OF PEORIA is ordering his priests to read a letter condemning Obama from the pulpit on Sunday. I have heard that there is either a boycott OR a “stand up and turn your back on the priest” action being suggested.

  • SueInCa : adlib that is the way in some evangelical churches, the man is the head. My husband says he works for me

  • choicelady : Evenin’ KT – how are you? Did your part of O-high-O survive the storm and how is your mom?

  • AdLib : Hey KT! Good evening to you!

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Hey KT

  • KillgoreTrout : Hey planeteers. I offer an unmittigated hello to all.

  • AdLib : Murph – That is just fantastic! Wow! How insulting of their Pastor to treat them that way and turn their church into a GOP HQ but wow, what a response to his chauvinism!

  • choicelady : Murph – I swear, honestly, this is a world of change. Your lovely women are making a HUGE difference. This is not isolated, but you ARE making this happen for them with your kindness. Kindness and decency count!

  • SueInCa : I am so sorry KT I did not see your name up there. HI KT

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Hey Bourne, Choice and Sue…be sure to read my story from the Lysistrata Ladies (as named by Bourne)

  • SueInCa : that is incredible Murph

  • choicelady : Hi Bourne, KT! Gang’s all here! Mostly.

  • AdLib : CL – UnMittigated Disaster describes the Mitt Romney Campaign.

  • choicelady : Oops – saw AdLib’s “sign in”. I refuse to be Unmitagated Disaster. I will be thrilled to be Un Mitt anything else though.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Hey Ad Lib….here is a story for you….The Lysistrata Ladies have been regulars at the McCaskill HQ. Heard today that at the Wednesday evening Bible Study the Pastor gave a mini-sermon regarding demoncrats who were drawing certain women in the congregation away from the Gospel and that the men who loved them needed to exercise their Biblical authority in the family and call them back to God’s way of life. The woman who told me that said the ladies sat there, heard the pastor out and then one of them announced to the entire group that she and a bunch of her friends were volunteering for McCaskill against Akin and that if anyone wanted information they could ask them. The other ladies in the group raised their hands to show who they were. Today they brought several more.

  • SueInCa : Cl adlib gave us two choices I chose to make fun of mit

  • AdLib : Hey Choicelady! Great to “see” you!

  • SueInCa : yes we are, hi Bourne, MTS, Adlib, SueinCA and Cl

  • choicelady : Sue – how did you get to be unmitagated disaster? You’re waaaay too cool for that!

  • AdLib : Hey Sue! Welcome to our last Vox Populi where Mittastrophe will need to be discussed!

  • choicelady : Murph – good imitation of an echo chamber. Nicely done! Hi and how are YOU AdLib, too.

  • BourneID : Hi Sue

  • AdLib : Are we feeling positive and upbeat about the election on Tuesday?

  • SueInCa : Unmitigated Disaster here and accounted for

  • AdLib : Hey Bourne! Wonderful to have you here tonight!

  • BourneID : AdLib. KT, Murf. I can’t believe I’m alne with 3 sexy men…but I can handle it. Hope you’re all well.

  • AdLib : Don’t forget to say “hi” or “UnMittigated Disaster” when you arrive!

  • AdLib : I’m ba-a-a-ck!

  • AdLib : I’ ve got to pop away for a quick minute, brb!

  • AdLib : Hey Murph! Welcome to Vox!

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Looks like I am the first….hello, hello, hello, hello- echoing back in the empty hall…..

  • AdLib : Vox Populi, our live chat about the week’s events begins tonight at 7 pm PST. Hope to see you then!

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