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AdLib On April - 20 - 2012
  • AdLib : Thanks!

  • SallyT : Good night to you, too. Have a good rest.

  • AdLib : Always appreciate your closing the VP bar with me! Thanks so much Sally and sleep well!

  • AdLib : Night Sally! I’ll be sending out GROW updates next week to fill folks in on what we’ve got cooking! Have a great weekend.

  • SallyT : You know, AdLib, we have to stop meeting like this.

  • SallyT : I hate helium balloons. When they start going down the remind me of my boobs!

  • choicelady : AdLib – it’s a deal. Go with GROW. We will talk early in the week indeed. Now it’s off to dreamland for me, too. Have a wonderful weekend everybody!

  • AdLib : CL – That’s why I always juggle helium balloons…never dropped one yet!

  • SallyT : Night to you, too, CL. I will see you later, too.

  • AdLib : CL – Not at all! Have a wonderful weekend yourself and lets catch up on GROW and all next week, we’ve got people raring to go here!

  • choicelady : Cher – Kleenex is perfect! It never makes a racket when it finally floats to the ground! Wise choice!

  • choicelady : Goodnight, Cher – I think I’m following suit. Poor AdLib got an earful of my awful week this week, so I won’t belabor it here! Take care, thank you for all you do for us, and have a GREAT weekend! Hugs!

  • Chernynkaya : Gonna juggle Kleenex from now on!

  • SallyT : Good night, Cher! See you later if you aren’t to busy. But, if you are juggling, you keep all those balls in the air, you hear me!

  • AdLib : Night Cher! Have a great weekend!!!

  • choicelady : Cher – dropping plates means you probably want to juggle, oh, tennis balls or something? I decided at my last birthday that I would no longer multi-task. I would unitask. And MAYBE I’d get that one thing done right and well before moving on. I’ve had to start telling people I cannot handle things because it’s not fair to agree to do stuff then back out. It’s amazing how poorly people take that – but it’s the only way I can survive!

  • AdLib : Sally – When The Planet started, there was big turmoil at HP and we did a lot of exposes about HP, I learned a lot just from doing research I had never thought of doing while I blogged there. Though The Planet is well known at HP, we still didn’t want to be seen as the anti-HP site so we dialed back our hammering on HP. After all, we’ve pretty much covered every issue over there. Still, on occasion, it’s good to update folks.

  • Chernynkaya : Guys, the girls just came home and are demanding attention and making a racket. I’ll say adieu for the night. Have fun!

  • choicelady : AdLib – oh, that’s too, too funny!

  • choicelady : Yes – I think the Wicked Witches are losing their followers and their clout. I know some folks are still radiating in her glow, but overall, I think it’s all fading as they are shown to be frauds. How AH thinks she can say in one breath “Obama is just not that into you” and then snuggle with Newt without our noticing is absolutely mindblowing!

  • SallyT : But, CL, you are right, she hasn’t been in the sunlight too much lately. Vampire!

  • Chernynkaya : AL, I’ve noticed that none of the MSNBC shows have Firebaggers on. just Fineman. and he’s not really an emo–just a nothingburger.

  • AdLib : CL – At the same time, while Arianna reveled in the influence she had last year and the year before, when the whole Purist/EomProg thing was going strong (haven’t seen Jane Hamsher on a show for a long time!), she’s lost a lot of juice since and doesn’t have the same kind of spotlight and command over people there as she did.

  • SallyT : CL,I wasn’t meaning just her but the other guys from there and they sometimes just say, “On HuffingtonPost there is”….that kind of stuff.

  • Chernynkaya : CL, Believe me–I’ve dropped most of the plates!

  • choicelady : Sally – I’ve been seeing less and less of Madam Defarge anywhere. The fact that Colbert interviewed her and snarked her was GREAT – I saw nothing else anywhere else!

  • Chernynkaya : Good for Colberington!

  • AdLib : He just reposts her whole site! That’s the joke.

  • AdLib : Check it out, The Colbuffington Repost: «link»

  • Chernynkaya : True, CL. But that’s what’s so insidious. The site is a giant Concern Troll in itself. But to be honest, i do sympathize with the writers. It’s so hard to break into journalism, and they make little anywhere. So I give many of them a pass.

  • choicelady : Colbert has a send up of HP? Gotta read that!

  • SallyT : Of course the new people going to that site don’t know the change either. That is sad since HP gets so much attention from the MSM.

  • AdLib : Sally – She mentioned his name very quickly and in passing but spent lots of time trying to show how clever and funny she was by attacking Colbert for aggregating her site on his HP ripoff site, the Colbuffington Post.

  • choicelady : Cher – you can juggle? Wow. I’m impressed! I can’t hold onto even ONE thing these days!

  • choicelady : Cher – remember it took ALL of us some time to figure out what had happened. It was pretty dramatic and did not seem possible. Here was this GREAT site pre-2008 election, and within moments after the inauguration, it had turned into Trollville. There are those who still can’t believe it. And AH keeps JUST enough good stuff on hand to keep many people lulled into believing she is just offering diverse views = instead of perverse propaganda.

  • SallyT : Did she even mention the writer?

  • Chernynkaya : I just can’t wrap my head around how many people are punked by that fraudulent site. I never will.

  • AdLib : CL – If I was the writer, I’d be pretty pissed off about Arianna taking the crown and the victory lap for my work. Why wasn’t the journalist on Colbert? I know why, because Arianna decided she would take all the glory…as “the face” of HP. Think about how HP and Arianna disrespect writers over there, even the one that brought them their one major recognition. What a jerk.

  • choicelady : Oh sure – but WE know the truth. I got a very good research person hooked up with them in 2007 – Chris Rodda from Military Religous Freedom Foundation. Chris write the BEST STUFF about Dominionism and its tentacles. But go ahead – try to find it! You have to enter Chris’ name to get any of it. But she keeps on because she has a following now, and that’s important to her and MRFF even if we all agree Arianna is sucky. HP still gives good outlet to voices that might otherwise not be heard. She’s just doing less and less of it.

  • SallyT : That is okay, CHer. I know you are busy.

  • Chernynkaya : Al, that’s what I mean. It’s galling to me.

  • Chernynkaya : Sally, I know. I’ve had stuff I had to do. I’m juggling.

  • AdLib : Cher – The reality is, after the AOL deal, HP became the biggest online blog and could afford to pay a few real journalists to work for HP. Now, using those few for cover, they can continue to churn out the exploitative propaganda and tabloid crap while boasting about what a legit news org they are.

  • choicelady : Sally – are we good, or what??????

  • SallyT : I am usually in tune with Cher but she hasn’t been around much lately.

  • Chernynkaya : CL, doesn’t the publisher of the winner get crowing rights, though?

  • SallyT : LOOK AT THAT CL WE ARE ON THE SAME LINE TONIGHT!

  • SallyT : Cher, she didn’t win that Pulitzer, that guy who wrote it did, really.

  • choicelady : Cher – it was the WRITER who won the award, never mind AH. His work was great, and of course she’s crowing, but HE did it and HE got it, not Arianna!

  • AdLib : Sally – Most people aren’t as well acquainted with where Arianna is now (it’s hard to keep track for anyone) and that she’s backflipped away from being Progressive.

  • choicelady : I know they say you cannot tell character from looks, but I really disagree. That hollow-eyed rather desperate stare Arianna and Mitt both have reflects the nothing that is inside. You cannot hide all that nasty.

  • Chernynkaya : Between her and Fineman-Henchman , I’m so tuned off by cable. PuffHo won a freaking Pulitzer! GAH!!!

  • SallyT : Oh, CRAP, AdLib, men always age better!

  • AdLib : You look at someone like Bill Moyers who is up there in years but he still has an air of vitality about him because he’s engaged in the human race. Look at Romney, he’s so lifeless because he’s so disengaged. I saw the same vacant stare in Arianna this week.

  • SallyT : Your skin can get leathery when your heart is no longer alive.

  • choicelady : Sally – Seriously? Queen Arianna is now backsliding? Maybe she’s boffing Newt and feels some loyalty to her old ways and roots?

  • Chernynkaya : Murph–Doh!

  • Chernynkaya : Speaking of cannibals, did you guys discuss that racist cake the Swedish minister cut into? I’ve had several long discussions about that!

  • choicelady : Cher – it happens to us all, but Queen Arianna can’t see how awful she’s looking these days, Dahling.

  • SallyT : I alos noticed AL that Steven called her a liberal and she really shunned away from that.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Cher…Dorian Gray = Dora Fey

  • Chernynkaya : She’s jowly. Heh. And a little plump.

  • choicelady : Cher – I agree! What AdLib lacks in classical education he makes up for in chutzpah! I should NOT be drinking ginger ale when he’s on a roll! (No – NOT like a sandwich. Enough with the cannibal jokes!)

  • Chernynkaya : Murph, I don’t now that reference.

  • AdLib : Sally and Cher – She looked like she aged 5 years in the last year. All that jetsetting and little sleep can take a toll on you. And having a black hole in your chest where your heart should be couldn’t help any.

  • Chernynkaya : AL, that just made me literally spit out my drink!

  • choicelady : Murph – it was the “nox” that threw me. Otherwise I thought that was it.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Cher…Dora Fay?

  • SallyT : AdLib, I saw her too and she wasn’t at all funny either!

  • AdLib : Night Murph! And an e pluribus unum to you!

  • SallyT : Night there, Murph!

  • Chernynkaya : She ain’t aging well, is she? Reverse Dorian Grey.

  • choicelady : Murph – the Latin eludes me save for a word or two. At any rate, you have a good night and sweet dreams, too.

  • SallyT : Good night, KT! I will see you later around here!

  • Chernynkaya : HEHE, Murph is nigh!

  • MurphTheSurf3 : CL got the translation without intending to.

  • Chernynkaya : Er, ‘Night!

  • AdLib : Cher – I held my nose and saw Arianna on Colbert this week…she didn’t look too good. I think all that money is taking her down.

  • Chernynkaya : Nigh, Murph!

  • choicelady : KT- Have a great night and sweet dreams. Thanks for the “young at heart” sentiment. It’s too damn late for the corpus.

  • Chernynkaya : Doin my best KT! You too! Sweet dreams.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : I have decided I am tuckered out so I wish you good night. So how is your Latin? Bonus nox noctis quod dulcis somnium

  • AdLib : Take care, Killgore! Have a great weekend!

  • SallyT : Where you going, KT?

  • Chernynkaya : AL, one down, dozens to go! Ptuey!

  • KillgoreTrout : Well, gotta go too. Stay forever young good people. (at least in spirit.

  • SallyT : SWEET!

  • AdLib : Sally – Very cool! You are now a member of GROW!

  • AdLib : Cher – Yep and for all of Breitbart’s nastiness and swagger, he’s gone and we’re here. And we’re going to be making a difference and he’s already fading from people’s minds.

  • choicelady : Hey – is bito on? I see him in the balcony!

  • SallyT : KQ, I didn’t know anything about your Dad. I hope all will be better!

  • choicelady : Murph – well, whoever started it around, it’s a GREAT line. One can always count on Twain for the bon mot!

  • AdLib : Sally – OR is a natural for a next stage if we’re successful in CA.

  • Chernynkaya : AL, I’ll never forget that image. What a nauseating jackass. RIHell.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : KQ…best to you and your dad.

  • SallyT : I’ll help you, AL. Oregon is pretty hip but it can always need more hop!

  • AdLib : Cher – Breitbart won’t be rollerskating and taunting us at the next Koch brothers rally, that’s for sure!

  • choicelady : KQ – get good rest, and best wishes with your father. I hope everything will be OK and that he comes out even better than he was. Take care of YOU, too?

  • Chernynkaya : CL, who knows these things?

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Cher…like Franco..thanks SNL

  • Chernynkaya : Yeah, whenever I get discouraged, I remind myself that Breitbart is still dead.

  • KillgoreTrout : Golden slumbers KQ, and wishing your dad the best!

  • MurphTheSurf3 : CL…I don’t think I shared it then since I just picked it up today. It is perfect though.

  • AdLib : Sally – So you are invited and welcome to join us in GROW if you’re interested. We hope to impact every state with our latest initiative.

  • choicelady : Cher – how do you get a Google error message? Why for heaven’s sake?

  • Chernynkaya : Perfect, KT!

  • choicelady : Murph – I remember that Twain line from when Breitbart died. Weren’t you the one who told it to us? Cracks me up every time!

  • KillgoreTrout : Oh well cher. I guess youtube won’t work in VP. It’s Eric Clapton’s Let It Grow.

  • SallyT : Good Night KQ. I haven’t seen you correcting me lately. You know you can’t let me run wild on here!

  • choicelady : Sally – no, GROW is for federal and other state legislation, too. We just started here since we live here in CA. We’re testing the waters so to speak.

  • AdLib : Night KQ and again, my best thoughts are going out to your father!

  • Chernynkaya : Night, KQ.

  • AdLib : CL – I was too late, AB missed it!

  • KQµårk 死神 : Take care folks I’m gonna get some sleep.

  • SallyT : That is what I got, too, Cher.

  • choicelady : AdLib – ohhhhh Bloody Mary Landrieu. That’s AWFUL. Congrats!

  • AdLib : Sally – Nope, GROW is a national group but our strategy on this initiative is to go state by state, beginning in CA for numerous advantageous reasons including how movements start out here and spread nationally.

  • Chernynkaya : KT, now I got a Google error message. :-(

  • KillgoreTrout : cher, really? I’ll try again…«link» ww.youtube.com/w atch?v=V069wWEnC ys&feature=fvst

  • MurphTheSurf3 : regarding the GOP Message Machine…Breitb art cause of death: heart attack caused by coronary disease……”I didn’t attend the funeral, but I sent a nice letter saying I approved of it.” Mark Twain

  • SallyT : So, GROW is just for Calif?

  • choicelady : AB – She is Belle. My husband wanted to Belle, the Cat. Then we got a little guy hiding on our front porch who is apparently Maine Coon and, needing a name and his looking like a bob cat, he is, predictably, Bob. So it’s Bob and Belle. Or in her insistance, Belle and Bob.

  • Chernynkaya : Please do, AL.

  • AdLib : Cher – I’ll email you and anyone else here who is interested. It’s not a secret, we’re just not ready to post it publicly just yet (and possibly alert our inevitable adversaries at this point.

  • Chernynkaya : KT that link was an ad?

  • choicelady : KT – well of COURSE she does! I have to correct a lot because she also “types” now and then. She’s utterly avant garde in her spelling though.

  • KillgoreTrout : Found a theme song..«link» .youtube.com/wat ch?v=bXXThSZjNvQ

  • Chernynkaya : CL, that is truly impressive. I’m gobsmacked!

  • Chernynkaya : AL, OK, now you’re just teasing us! Can’t wait! In the meantime, I’m flexing my muscles on Twitter in preparation to help that way too.

  • AdLib : Night AB! Perhaps have a Bloody Mary Landrieu before bed?

  • choicelady : Cher – it’s been so nice to see GROW as a supporter of bills and issues around the Capitol!

  • choicelady : AB – OMG – you have a hard life indeed! Crack the whip with the Blov, then rest up with drinks and something great to eat. Have a lovely night and a good morrow.

  • AlphaBitch : Good night …zzzzz

  • AdLib : CL has been amazing in getting GROW and our fledgling initiative actually on the calendar in the CA Legislature! We’ve got big things going on this year for GROW and The Planet, we’re anxious to share them with everyone here as soon as we can!

  • SallyT : See you later AB! Have a good night!

  • AlphaBitch : CL: What’s her name? I have a black male with “issues” (mostly related to abandonment). He came from the west side, and is named (appropriately) “Beto”.

  • choicelady : Sally dear – thank you, but I’d just have to declare it, and GROW is not yet a registered “lobby employer”. So save the quarter, and let it GROW for GROW!

  • KillgoreTrout : Sweet dreams AB.

  • KillgoreTrout : choice, does she lay down on your keyboard?

  • SallyT : Well, KT and CL, mommy has yellow eyes and is all gray but of course the babies have theirs all closed right now.

  • Chernynkaya : AB–that’s hard work! Take care.

  • choicelady : AB – Thank you! I will definitely read it! Much appreciated!

  • Chernynkaya : CL–I can’t think of a better influencer!

  • AlphaBitch : OK peeps. It’s my bedtime. Sorry I’m such a wuss. Have to get up and lollygag tomorrow and do the hardest of all jobs – supervise the Blov until he does all that needs to be done!

  • choicelady : KT – that’s what MY cat looks like. A female but very panther-like. She’s beside me as I type informing me I’m neglecting her.

  • SallyT : I got a quarter and you can have it, CL!

  • Chernynkaya : Sparky just moved them around randomly. Eyes big as saucers.

  • choicelady : Cher – AdLib is right! GROW has also supported a bill in the state legislature this year, so GROW is off and running! We will keep everyone posted. Informally, you already have a lobbyist – me! I’ve spoken for GROW a couple of times already. And it doesn’t cost you a dime. Not that any of us HAVE a dime!

  • AlphaBitch : Cher: LOL! Poor pup. what do to with all that mewing bundle of furr???

  • SallyT : Oh Cher, how cute. The boys use to carry the mommy cat around by the neck, well, by her collar.

  • AlphaBitch : CL: Had to go dig and try and find it. It’s called Straight from the Heart. You will LOVE how she got her nickname of Miss Ann!

  • Chernynkaya : Sally, I have lots of pix of my last dog carrying around new born kitties in his mouth and looking nervous.

  • KillgoreTrout : It’s a wonderful idea AdLib.

  • AdLib : KT – Excellent! Consider yourself a member of GROW now. Stay tuned for an update in a little while.

  • Chernynkaya : I’ll be around when you’re ready.

  • SallyT : 2 girls and 2 boys. The danes just love them and keep wanting to see them.

  • KillgoreTrout : Sally, i used to an all black cat, with big yellow eyse. He looke like a miniature panther. We were best buds.

  • Chernynkaya : I love black cats.

  • AdLib : Cher – I knew you would be, very cool! This will be another GROW initiative…and a big one. For other folks here, GROW (Grass Roots Over Washington) is the informal activist group we’ve assembled here from interested members. Last year we co-sponsored the Uncloak the Kochs rally in Palm Springs which was hugely successful and helped make them a household name. This year we’re working on an initiative but we need to get all of our ducks in a row before we present it as an opportunity for members to get involved.

  • SallyT : All 4 are all black.

  • Chernynkaya : Sally–that’s wonderful! Mazel Tov!

  • SallyT : You just have to rub plastic wrap or a sack and ours comes running. And, by the way, we have 4 new kitties born 4 days ago!

  • AlphaBitch : I know two great retired judges and several attorneys that might help.

  • AlphaBitch : I found you don’t even need the opener – mine come to a pop top!

  • choicelady : AB – No! I didn’t even know there was a bio. I will GET it – she was one amazing human being!

  • AdLib : I’m a big Hightower fan too, had the pleasure of meeting him. And Cl’s quote is right on the money, we need someone with a can opener and millions of cool cats will come together.

  • SallyT : I love to hold people accountable as much as Romney loves to fire people!

  • AlphaBitch : CL: Did you ever read Ann Richards bio????? “Speak to the lowest common denominator so that the guy from Poteet (or some other small town) can understand it” was her lesson from HER mom. Love that Cecile Richards, too.

  • KillgoreTrout : I’d love to AdLib. How about an occupy the media movement?

  • choicelady : AB – I so agree! Strong livin’, hard drinkin’ wimmin with great minds, enormous humor, and real moral values. WE need more of ’em!

  • Chernynkaya : Count me in AL and CL.

  • AdLib : AB – The 1st Amendment doesn’t protect all speech, it doesn’t protect slander or libel. Once we’ve got things on the tracks, we will be thrilled to have your support and that of all Planeteers who are interested in pitching in to hold people responsible for their advertised lies.

  • AlphaBitch : He and Miss ANN, CL. I miss Ann and Molly Ivins so much.

  • choicelady : AB – I do, too. He has a great way with words and has been influential on me about how I train people to do advocacy. I make them laugh, keep it short and sweet, use good analogies – and people get things they thought they could not understand. His capacity to make people laugh is absolutely how he gets people to see the issue AND to see it’s solveable. LOVE him!

  • KillgoreTrout : The chicken hawks love their Heroes.

  • KillgoreTrout : Thanks AB and CL.

  • choicelady : KT – Oh. VERY good, KT. VERY good indeed. That’s a lead in for a sick joke: What do Chickenhawks eat? Hero sandwiches.

  • AlphaBitch : KT; Well done!

  • AlphaBitch : CL: I still subscribe to the Hightower Lowdown. Once went to his rally when he was known as “Whole Hog Hightower” with a pig nose on!! (i was a guest of the entertainment)

  • KillgoreTrout : The GOP also likes Hero sandwiches, made out of dead soldiers.

  • choicelady : AB – AdLib and I are workin’ on it!

  • KillgoreTrout : AdLib, that would be the one. Good call.

  • AlphaBitch : I’m your gal. Was a lead lit paralegal for 20 years and am friends with many attorneys and judges. Problem as they mention is the courts – how they would rule, freedom of speech, blah blah blah.

  • choicelady : KQ – remember what Jim Hightower said: you can wrangle cats if you’re the one with the can opener. WE need the can opener.

  • AdLib : Killgore – You mean the Country Club sandwich?

  • AdLib : AB – We can’t sue candidates for lying…yet. But CL and I are looking to do something about that…which PlanetPOV folks can join in on once we get it rolling.

  • choicelady : Cher – he’s just smarmy. This passes for intelligence? Wow.

  • KillgoreTrout : How about the rich man’s Club Sandwich? with two layers of poor people.

  • Chernynkaya : Cl–and Mitt JUST HIRED that guy! The election will be a mudfest. But as I said, if it does, all they will get are their base. Indies hate that.

  • AlphaBitch : AL: I’m having a BLACK RUSHun.

  • KillgoreTrout : KQ, it can be done. I’ve seen it with my own eyes. (it was a commercial though)

  • AlphaBitch : OOOOOHHH AL: I knew it was coming!

  • AdLib : Hey Sally!

  • choicelady : Cher – WTF? What’s THAT supposed to mean??? I can respect a well reasoned jab. That’s just – well, there are no words.

  • AdLib : AB – Having a Robert Rubin sandwich with extra thousand island dressing.

  • KQµårk 死神 : We need to start herding those cats AdLib.

  • choicelady : Sally and AB – yup. Trickle down is either peeing or drooling, and either way it is no benefit to us!

  • Chernynkaya : CL, here’s the link: «link»

  • AdLib : Murph – Very true, Repubs are lemmings and Dems are cats. Repubs follow the leader and Dems go in 18 different directions. But look at what happened with Trayvon, Rush and Komen. We have the numbers on our side when a big enough outrage happens and we can move things in the right direction.

  • Chernynkaya : And he said the kids should not be off limits either. It’ll backfire though.

  • KillgoreTrout : I don’t care how much the GOP tries to suck up to women votters, the damage has already been done. Women are forgetting any time soon.

  • SallyT : No, CL, you didn’t leave anything out but I don’t even think Romney can sell that anymore. He is going to need more than that “pissing on you” gets jobs.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : AdLib…I left this before but I think it is worth repeating…the success of the RW in messaging is this….my theory is that Dems are independent cats and the GOP and their media allies are Message Machines…ditto , ditto, ditto, ditto, make the point, make the point that you made the point, point out that you pointed out that you were making the point, ask why others are not making the point….start over.

  • Chernynkaya : here’s a sample: Grennell discussed the first lady “sweating on the East Room carpet.”

  • AlphaBitch : CL: I once was attacked by a group of men at a Clinton speech (all holding waffles, mind you) because I Biff’ed ’em and said “The only trickle down you’ll ever see under Bush is what runs down his leg!” I dunno. Seemed to make them mad. HEY! Let’s show up at Romney Rallies w/ flip flops!!!!

  • choicelady : Cher -whom did the lovely man attack? Where are these people’s BRAINS?

  • MurphTheSurf3 : AdLib…I left this before but I think it is worth repeating…the success of the RW in messaging is this….my theory is that Dems are independent cats and teh GOP and their media allies are Message Machines…ditto , ditto, ditto, ditto, make the point, make the point that you made the point, point out that you pointed out that you were making the point, ask why others are not making the point….start over.

  • SallyT : CL, you take a breath!

  • Chernynkaya : KQ–filthy you say? New Romney Spokesman Used Twitter For Sexist Attacks

  • choicelady : Sally – pant, pant, pant…did I leave anything OUT? That’s Romney’s plan. Ol trickle down economics.

  • choicelady : Sally – oh!oh!oh! I know romney’s plan!!! Cut taxes for the rich, and the money will just go rolling down and create jobs and even bring more revenue to the government and it will be just great and jobs will be plentiful and rising tides lift all boats and the rich will invest and make everyone rich.

  • KQµårk 死神 : AdLib we all know this is going to be a filthy election especially since Romney has no core. The MSM loves it and it will not be about issues for that squishy middle.

  • AdLib : KQ – No way, Jebbie would never tarnish himself as VP, under Romney n a probable losing ticket. Jebbie wants to run in 4 years, he wants Romney to lose.

  • AlphaBitch : AL: I know. I’m just trying to compare apples and horse apples here. Both entertainers, both said stuff that pissed the other side off. But whose career – a soaring one – was obliterated, and what loser got more than his 15 minutes of past fame?????

  • KillgoreTrout : Well, Romney knows how to fire people, but I don’t think he knows much about creating jobs. As a venture capitalist, he spent more time putting people out of work.

  • Chernynkaya : Ab one of the things that surprised me about immigrants I know is, the more repressive government they come from, the more they vote repub. It takes some thinking, but I see where they are coming from.

  • AdLib : Night Bourne! Have a lovely weekend!

  • AdLib : AB – You don’t even have to go back to the Dixie Chicks, go back a week to Hilary Rosen! The MSM gladly followed the Repub attack machine to slime Obama for the comments of someone who isn’t connected to his Presidency or campaign in any way! With Nugent, the corporate media just yawns and never mentions Romney. If that doesn’t expose them for the manipulative propagandists they are, I don’t know what does.

  • SallyT : And, can someone tell me Romney’s plan to get more jobs for more people?

  • AlphaBitch : Every Cuban I know -= including my adorable new doctor – votes REpublican. When I asked a dear friend, he said “Because I’m from CUBA. We HATE the government – doesn’t matter which one!” Made sense in an odd way.

  • choicelady : KT – yes, I think so, too. My ties are in Y’town and Cleveland, and while Y’town is THE most impoverished city in the US, even it is seeing an uptick in jobs and hiring! And it’s pretty blasted!

  • AdLib : CL – Yep and the Repubs, being the racists that they are, think all Hispanics are alike. As you say, Latinos and Cubans are not the same thing.

  • AlphaBitch : CL: but who listens to NPR? Not the RW, that’s for damn sure. Not the low info folks.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : AB…free speech re public figures is pretty absolute, furthermore Luntz is reporting on his research which is nonsense but a good cover. I think we need to get hold of that e mail every day and publish it.

  • KillgoreTrout : CL, I fear that jobs in Ohio are growing at a very slow rate. But they are growing. I wonder about the small towns too. Ohio has a gazillion small towns. They’re usually pretty conservative. But I think Obama will wi Ohio.

  • SallyT : CL, I think a lot of that too is the push to BUY Local and small local businesses. They are the ones that are going to hire and when they grow more grows in the community.

  • choicelady : AB – interesting idea, suing for maliciously false statements in political advertising. Ohio has such a law, and I hear others are working on it!

  • Chernynkaya : Yes MTS. And 70% of guests on the Sunday talk shows are Repubs. When they have a Dem, it’s Harold Ford!

  • KQµårk 死神 : Cheers AdLib.

  • AdLib : KQ – Sorry to hear that, wishing your father all the best!

  • choicelady : KT – NPR had small business owners talk about the Ryan stimulus plan for small biz, and they ALL knew it was a crock. They were all from Ohio smaller towns!

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Cher..why does the MSM challenge Obama? To keep the race close, yep, but also because the right wing gives them the attack lines…using that mighty ditto machine….they get the message for everyone with a R behind their name.

  • AlphaBitch : MTS: I know about Frank Luntz. I just don’t know why we – as citizens – can’t sue a CANDIDATE for making up lies! I understand sovereign immunity and all that – but slander? Libel? If you are NOT an elected official? Why not sue?

  • AdLib : AB – I completely agree. Obama and the Dems should absolutely campaign on what the future will be if the Repubs and ROmney win. Explain simply and frankly the death of the middle class, the growing poverty and wealth distribution to the rich. America of the wealthy, by the wealthy and for the wealthy and no retirement or comfortable future for them or their children. No soft sell, hammer it home because it’s all true!

  • choicelady : KT – but anywhere there is industrial revival, and that’s a lot of smaller companies, things seem to be picking up for the awareness of what Obama has done. Can’t say for sure, and racism is ALWAYS an issue, but I hear people start to say in awe – oh! I’m working again!

  • MurphTheSurf3 : AB…but it is how they do it….there is a Luntz service that crafts the message of the day with code words, key words, argument structure that is e mailed every day at 6 AM….they all get it which is why the phrases all kick in simultaneously.

  • AlphaBitch : CL: Snorf.

  • KQµårk 死神 : I hear ya AdLib.

  • KillgoreTrout : Ad Lib, Ohio is a real mixture. The university towns are all mostly liberal, But the south west of Ohio is very red. And religious too.

  • Chernynkaya : Murph, apropos of that, I asked myself this today: If Romney can get away with constant lies with no consequences, and if voters believe him, what’s to keep Obama from just plain lying too? The difference is, the media would call Obama out on it, but not Mitt.

  • choicelady : AB – LOL!!!!!! I must agree about how borin….zzzzzz

  • AdLib : KQ – Fineman is a total sell out and hack. He is the perfect example of the MSM prostitute who was older, had little other professional prospects when Newsweek was bought out and sold out to HP. He has no credibility and just blabbers the “conventional wisdom” BS of the MSM. I tune him out completely.

  • AlphaBitch : Yeah, AL! What’s for dinner?

  • AlphaBitch : MTS: Tried to read how the RW mind operates but fell asle….zzzzzz

  • choicelady : Heay Sally – you practicing cannibalism tonight? We resist being the entree. Invite us FOR dinner not to BE dinner!

  • choicelady : AB – that was part of the Mother Jones scandal. I can’t recall W’s part, but all of ’em had major millstones around their necks.

  • Chernynkaya : When all is said and done, it’ll come down to the same 6-10% of low-infos it always does. <47% is repub and about the same Dem. I hate it but that seems to be a reality.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : AB….AN IMPORTANT QUESTION: given how much more we have to be angry about with Nugent vs. Hillary’s work comment, why don’t we go for the jugular like the Goopers do….Well…my theory is that Dems are independent cats and teh GOP and their media allies are Message Machines…ditto , ditto, ditto, ditto, make the point, make the point that you made the point, point out that you pointed out that you were making the point, ask why others are not making the point….start over.

  • AdLib : CL – If people in OH and MI don’t recognize that their states are far better off thanks to Obama and rescuing the auto industry…when Romney would have happily destroyed all of that, they would be total idiots. And I know people from both states, they’re sharp folks.

  • SallyT : Yum Yum EEEAAAAT em UP!

  • AlphaBitch : CL: And let’s not forget dear Neil Bush and Silverado!

  • choicelady : “Night Bourne – stay off the streets of Sacto until the guy is caught! He’s been all over the map today. Don’t let him near you!

  • AlphaBitch : KT: Like a bad burrito!

  • choicelady : KQ and KT – Remember what Sue found – Jeb has major baggage in all kinds of frauds and deals he’s done. Mother Jones YEARS ago with the First Bush had a story on how all the Bush boys had stink on ’em. We need to find and revive that to keep Jeb quiet! “Run and we’ll release this old story about you!” My recollection was that he engaged in a Medicare fraud scheme.

  • KillgoreTrout : Oh jeebus, not another Bush. I think that choice may backfire on Romney!

  • AdLib : Murph – Very apt description. Matthews convictions can melt under a hot wind and run in the opposite direction just as quickly. Sure, I like when he’s aggressive with people I don’t like but he is untethered to any views or principles so really, it’s all pandering in the end for ratings…just as he pandered to Card in hopes of getting help to interview GHW Bush.

  • AlphaBitch : Adios, Bourne!

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Bye bye Bourne..

  • KillgoreTrout : Have a good evening Bourne.

  • Chernynkaya : AB–HAH! Hu me?

  • AlphaBitch : KQ: Yep, second on the prayers and wishes.

  • KQµårk 死神 : KT I saw Jeb Bush would not mind being his VP.

  • choicelady : AB – the biggest problem is you can’t boycott Nugent when you’ve been avoiding him for decades. Nothing left to withhold!!! He is beyond disgraceful as an American. Why anyone follows this loser is beyond me. Romney courted his endorsement and is now trying to weasel out of it. Bah!

  • MurphTheSurf3 : KQ…I read the article and had a couple of comments and a question. I will find a way to get them to you. I thought it was an important piece to the puzzle that I did not have.

  • AlphaBitch : Cher: thought you were speaking Chinese.

  • KQµårk 死神 : Thanks CL he’s strong for his age.

  • BourneID : Hey all, I am declaring myself offially brain dead. I’m going to sign off early. Have a good weekend. Talk to you next week.

  • Chernynkaya : LOL–that would be “hi!”

  • KQµårk 死神 : Cheers Smurf. I think it’s important to know how damaging that mentality would be in the leader of this country.

  • Chernynkaya : Hu my dear CL.

  • KillgoreTrout : So who is Romney gonna pick for VP?

  • AlphaBitch : Question: remember the uproar when the Dixie Chicks said they were EMBARRASSED that the President was from Texas?? Yet what Nugent did was A-OK? Seriously?? Why can’t we fight back as hard. I’m tired of sitting it out and signing Kumbayah.

  • Chernynkaya : CL–that’s so true. Latinos don’t really consider Cubans Latinos.

  • choicelady : Hey Cher – lovely to see you!

  • AdLib : Hey KQ!

  • choicelady : KQ – Oh wow I am sorry to hear that! I know those things work miracles and hope that’s true for him, but how exhausing it is for him and for you. You’re in our hearts, good friend!

  • choicelady : AdLib – Rubio is Cuban. That makes him NOT Latino in the eyes of real Latinos. They know a fraud when they hear one.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : KQ….how are you…I really found your article on Romney as Gordon Geeko enlightening. See him and his campaign through the prism of private equity consultant has been a powerful meme.

  • Chernynkaya : KQ–so sorry to hear about your father! My prayers.

  • AdLib : Killgore – Yep, they are more like cult members. They have their cult of hatred and prejudice, it is them against the “others” and you can’t talk a cult member out of following their cult. Usually, hitting them over the head with a bowling pin has a better impact.

  • choicelady : KT – my husband can’t stand Matthews because he NEVER lets his guests answer the questions he asks! You’re right about his ego issues!

  • KQµårk 死神 : I’m doing OK CL. My father’s sick again though. He just had an angioplasty today.

  • Chernynkaya : I dislike Tweety more than Scarborough. matthews is stale and lazy. He offers nothing original, and is more like my bloviating uncle who makes me cringe.

  • choicelady : Bounre – too close to me, thanks. I don’t want him killed, but I DO want him apprehended!

  • AlphaBitch : AL: Seriously, I say f*ck it with the class warfare and go for broke. Tell the poor low info voters what will happen to ’em. Stand and preach it everywhere and loudly. Rally round the truth.

  • KQµårk 死神 : Howard Fineman was just as bad with Tweety the other day. I think I watched 3 whole minutes of Hardball before I wanted to throw up.

  • KillgoreTrout : matthews is in love with the sound of his own voice.

  • choicelady : KQ – Hi! How are you?

  • AdLib : Murph – That is wonderful to hear! I do think people have had the RW propaganda factory belching smoke into their eyes long enough, they get it. As for Rubio, a FL poll showed that if Romney chose him as his VO, he would actually lose by a bigger margin to Obama! Rubio is widely disliked in FL and Latinos aren’t swayed by a lying, anti-Latino traitor and fraud like him.

  • BourneID : Hey CL, news on; an apt on Cottage Way. Deputies fired shots at a suspect but that’s as much as they know so far. Suspect was on the roof of the building.

  • choicelady : AdLib – I totally agree. People can be ignorant and maybe swayed by a decimal point, but overall people know who saved the nation. Ohio folks are aware – not all of them but most of them – that thanks to Obama’s careful policies, Ohio Rustbucket has lower than national unemployment.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : ADLIB..Matthews is a Political Pimp who puts whatever sells on the street. Dislike him almost as much as I dislike Scarborough and his sad sack crew.

  • AlphaBitch : AL: C’mon dude. Say what you REALLY feel……

  • Chernynkaya : Hey KQ!

  • KillgoreTrout : Hey KQ!

  • choicelady : KT – you’re totally correct. That kind of institutional rigidity is the precursor to the institution’s demise.

  • Chernynkaya : Sorry, I’m back now.

  • AlphaBitch : KQ!!!!

  • KQµårk 死神 : Sup peeps

  • choicelady : AB – then we’d better get cracking. We CAN do it if everyone turns out and helps their neighbors get registered AGAIN. We can minimize the damage!

  • KillgoreTrout : CL, if someone is forced to be “good,” by threats of hell and scriptures, then it really isn’t goodness.

  • AdLib : AB – The thing is, for Obama to have so many advantages with voters over Romney at this point, with unemployment high and a sluggish economy, means the poisoning hasn’t and likely won’t work. I saw MSM toady Chris Matthews today try and push the “conventional wisdom” that Obama loses to Romney based on the unemployment numbers. What bullshit. The unemployment numbers won’t change that Romney is bent on destroying Medicare and SS, cementing plutocracy and permanently ending Planned Parenthood and ACA health insurance for 30 million Americans…and Matthews and other pudnuts want to keep pushing on us that a fractional decimal in the unemployment numbers would make people choose Romney and that future over Obama? Bullshit indeed.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : AB…I must say I am worried too.

  • AlphaBitch : CL: Sounds good, but one f*cked up law can rob tens of thousands of voters, and there’s not enough time in the world to get them registered by the “due date” in some states. It makes me pessimisstic.

  • choicelady : Murph – it’s glorious to see the Civil Rights and Voting Rights movements BACK! And this time we have the LAW on our side!

  • choicelady : AB – well, of COURSE they do! Missionaries (our Protestants were not AS bad but were bad) did what they did not because they feared “heathens” were wrong but that they were RIGHT. That they were closer to God than we could ever be with our rules, rites, and temples. We figured out how wrong we were. The Religious Right has not.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : CL…like I said we are fighters….rock the vote by moving the voters from non registered to registered by all means necessary. My friend says there has been some harassment but they have three good attorneys who scare down the opposition.

  • choicelady : Murph – I’ve been blogging and tweeting – if people can’t get their ID GET IT FOR THEM. Drive them, pay for it, whatever it takes. Then drive them to vote. We don’t have money? WALK PRECINCTS. Door-to-door and face-to-face can undermine all the lousy commercials. We did it before. We can do it now.

  • AlphaBitch : CL: Yes, Issa is Yeshua (aka Joshua) or Jesus. Figures they’d have him going to Kabul and Damascus. Right where my fave chirrens are from! And they DO bring me closer to God, I swear!

  • KillgoreTrout : AdLib, their minds are already made up for them by FOX and the like. Their “minds,” are impervious to truth and equality, compassion and humanity.

  • choicelady : AB – Well, if you have LAMB, you are now a theologian! Turns out it’s based on real theological speculation that a man, Issa, traveled to all those places. Isa is the Muslim name for Jesus… Interesting, yes?

  • AlphaBitch : AL: Don’t forget bad breath!

  • AdLib : Killgore – I’d put a spin on that, arguing with righties is like talking to a dining room table that is racist and has poor grammar.

  • AlphaBitch : MTS: WOW! Great news!

  • MurphTheSurf3 : AL…a friend in florida (where the population growth is ALL black and hispanic) is part of a voter registration movement in miami. The group has set up a registration system that complies with the draconian state laws and are experiencing a huge number of signups. The message that “they” really are out to get you seems to be getting through…I wonder if this is why Rubio has pulled back from Romney just as he barely endorsed him.

  • AlphaBitch : AL: I’m sorry but I’ve seen Latinos vote for one of their own. To give you hope, Julian Castro, a bright young political star, mayor of San Antonio, TX (one of the ten biggest cities in the US) is well loved and has been contacted by Obama. As to the diff between 08 and now – well, the haters have been out poisoning the well, so to speak, for 4 years (He can’t help the economy -he’s not a job creator”).

  • KillgoreTrout : Murph, and AdLib, arguing with righties is like what Barney Frank famously said, “like talking to a dining room table.”

  • AdLib : AB – Right but I don’t think it will be any different from 2008 when it comes to race, the racists will still hate Obama but the GOP is losing more each year than they recruit. Plus, the growing Latino vote going against the GOP could turn the tables on the race issue.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Bourne…the interchanges today happened to be part of my internal library and I had had the exchange before….I knew where it was going, but eventually I pulled the plug on both…going nowhere.

  • AlphaBitch : KT: And I for one am grateful for that. Some things are just not meant to be understood; hatred is one such thing.

  • AlphaBitch : CL: Why thank you. I was reared as a Lutheran and became a Methodist. Now I have LAMB on my religious book shelf.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : CL…the Church and the Poor…sadly the current crowd of prelates having returned to a model of the “poor you will always have with you” and the Princes of the Church find association with the rich and powerful very comforting indeed…the medieval church making a comeback…the fact is that siding with the social justice progressives means backing the Dems which means hanging around with the abortion and contraception crowd….these guys are all or nothing thinkers.

  • AdLib : Murph – Just speaking for myself, I found it to be less productive and very time consuming to debate trolls. Most have no appreciation for truth or logic and as I wrote in my post, it’s just a game to them to try and best a “libtard”.

  • KillgoreTrout : CL, it is truly sad to see. I suppose there are many factors that contribute to that sort of mentality, but damned if can understand them.

  • choicelady : Oh I thought you WERE Catholic, AB. I guess we’re both mystified. Bourne – what’s your take on the Church. Can it survive and find its best practices and not always emphasizing its worst side?

  • AlphaBitch : AL: See CL comment. There are many out ther who will MAKE this a close race because of race.

  • AlphaBitch : CL:: Don’t ask me. I’m not Catholic. But I’m guessing it’s the “Watch my right hand” diversionary tactic. If people really stop and look at things, they have to ask.

  • choicelady : KT – I have to agree. I went there due to your comment, and I was absolutely horrified. Only things worse are Free Republic and outright Nazi, white supremacy sites. Yikes. What HAS this nation come to?

  • MurphTheSurf3 : AL…hear you…still I have had enough positives to take folks on for a round or two (and there are the bystanders! just like here)

  • BourneID : MTS, how do you keep up with the kind of exchange you had today? I read it while you worked it and was exhausted…

  • choicelady : Murph – yes indeed. I so admire your steadfast dedication to talking with people. I’m getting sort of burned out.

  • KillgoreTrout : Just stay away from yahoo. If anything will deminish your faith in your fellow man, commenting on Yahoo will certainly do it.

  • choicelady : AB, Murph, all lapased and practicing Catholics – why does the church continue to be so hypocritical by not making the OTHER issues as important as the sexual ones? Why is no one ever threatened with excommunication for screwing the poor?

  • AdLib : Murph – I know there are exceptions to the rule but studies have found that bloggers pretty much have pretty cemented views on political parties and Presidential choices. It’s mostly people with their minds made up skirmishing with others who are the same with both thinking that readers who are undecided may be influenced. I haven’t seen any studies that confirm that people reading blogs change so drastically from a Romney to an Obama but I wouldn’t say it doesn’t happen at all. If I was to bet though, I would guess that it is far less influential than suspected.

  • AlphaBitch : Oops. Jumped out.

  • AlphaBitch : food – why so quiet? Jump in!

  • MurphTheSurf3 : CL…you and I are cultural warriors I think…we connect often on matters like this.

  • choicelady : AdLib- Yes – impetuous. It’s why I wanted to try it! But tonight it was not to be. I’ll let you know if I ever get it!

  • BourneID : CL It started at 6 am, traffic stopped; looked like the 405 in LA then they find the 2nd car in Antelope. What’s with that?

  • choicelady : Murph – I have done the troll conversion, too. But it’s become too much of my whole life, and I need to back away often. I correspond regularly with Dominionist Christians re the military issues, and it’s often rewarding, often not. It’s ALWAYS exhausting!

  • AlphaBitch : CL; and Bourne: What’s happening? Weather wise?

  • choicelady : Bourne – well, it was blowing up around my office in Arden Arcade, so I’m underwhelmed by it all! No real problems, but it’s creepy as hell. We found a man living on the roof of our building 6 months ago who said he had a warrant out for him. He finally got arrested, but he was there for days. I’ve kinda had enough drama already. And this guy today is armed with TWO guns. I’d love them to find him soon!

  • AdLib : CL – Sounds like a young and impetuous wine, too bad they were out! I’m fine, all is well my way!

  • AlphaBitch : AL: LOVE it! Since he keeps his shirt unbuttoned in a very Elvis like way, he can piss and poop with no bother!

  • AdLib : AB – What we need to do is challenge Rush to wear his shirt on his legs and his pants over his face, sitting upside-down and see if anyone notices a difference.

  • AlphaBitch : AB: Agreed. Most every Catholic I know is in it for the social justice issues.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : CL…I battle trolls in part because I sometimes succeed in pulling them from the dark side into the twilight AND there are others watching….I get comments re. this with statements that they will copy and archive a response for use by themselves. So…in balance it works enough to keep it up for a while.

  • choicelady : AdLib – Howdy! Just got back from a restaurant that served Dahlia Chardonnay – but they were out. I’m so disappointed! So I’m drowning my sorrows in political talk. How are you?

  • AlphaBitch : CL: Yes he was. And I have every reason to believe she was as well.

  • choicelady : Murph – I think you’re right about that.

  • BourneID : Hi CL, what do you think of the drama in our area today? It was still ongoing when I signed in here.

  • AlphaBitch : AL; Question: if the only diff is the location (Troll Brain/Dog Turd) of origin, how do you differentiate for the ones with butt ugly faces? Like Flush Limpballs.

  • choicelady : AB – was yout Methodist minister SERIOUS?

  • choicelady : AB – Nuns are awesome for the most part. Evidence that the church is dying is this. Persecuting your own and cleaving to a vision that is punitive towards those DOING what you profess theologically is the route to total eradication. MAN up, Mr. Pope – you have grave fractures in your system not least of which is your refusal to hold people accountable for poverty, death, war, etc. but only sexual issues. The Church is doomed that way.

  • BourneID : Hey MTS, one more addition to your dossier…

  • MurphTheSurf3 : CL….Simone Campbell…talk about a prophetic person….she will be fine because she does need the hierarchy….it is the bishops who are in schism having turned their backs on Vatican II….the folks who count are going to back the good, the really good, sisters.

  • AdLib : Hey Choicelady!

  • AlphaBitch : MTS: the man who chairs the foundation at the PBS station where I work was schooled by the Cat’lics. (He uses the Irish term.) He is always the first to RSVP. A holdover, he claims

  • AdLib : Murph – I do understand and appreciate it but I do think in the end that fighting with trolls only delights them and never changes their minds…or what pass for them.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : AB…my connection has been through community organization, civil rights and opposition to the death penalty. AND I am a Catholic School Brat (well for most of my years in school) and while the Sisters were tough, they clearly cared and they made me into a fine student.

  • AlphaBitch : CL: I once met Sr. Prejean and my pastor (of a Methodist church) asked if she was packing.

  • KillgoreTrout : Hey CL.

  • choicelady : Evening all – just caught the Popette thread. I am friends with Sr. Simone Campbell who heads NETWORK the group most under scrutiny. She rocks, and I fear for her and all the others.

  • AlphaBitch : KT: True dat.

  • KillgoreTrout : AB, those who know the least, obey the best.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : AL…I read a lot but for TV news I watch Bashir, Bill Press, Rachel, Ganholm, and LINK’s Democracy now.

  • AlphaBitch : MTS: I worked with the Sisters of St. Joseph in the legal office of their health care concerns and with the Sisters of Incarnate Word on fundraisers and mentoring young women and their children. I ran a “bug club” for the little ones, to teach them ecology.

  • AdLib : AB – You saw where I was going with that. The only difference between dog poop and troll brains is the location.

  • AlphaBitch : Again with the paranoia – low info voters vote against their own interests. Hence the need to obliterate the Dept of Ed

  • KillgoreTrout : Murph they are less than human in my eyes. Totally lacking in humanity or compassion.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : AB…popette!!!! !! I have many sisters who are friends and I admire them very much.

  • AdLib : Cher – I am on a semi boycott of MSNBC, I only watch Bashir and some of Matthews just to see what Tweety is up to. MSNBC is a cynical joke on Progressives, a few truly Progressive hosts sandwiched between endless oil company and wall street propaganda commercials.

  • AlphaBitch : I think the nunners should break out and start their own version of Catholicism. I worked w/ several sisters (and the new Mother Superior) of the Sisters of the Incarnate Word. I love them dearly!!! Would even be a Femi-Catholic if she could be Popette.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : KT…did not see the stuff about Brevik but believe every word. This is so far beyond the rational.

  • AlphaBitch : AL: And that’s the reason it WILL be a close race. There are far, far too many low info voters. The question is: how do you get to them?

  • MurphTheSurf3 : AB…not only do they do a lot of the work….they have a corner on the market in sensible catholic thought…so of course, they must be suppressed. It is going to be war.

  • KillgoreTrout : Murph, I spent a little time on a yahoo thread about Andrew Breivik. The righties were actually cheering him on and congratulating him for killing “commie socialist kids.” It was horrifying. There are some sick puppies in our country.

  • Chernynkaya : BBL

  • BourneID : AlphaB, be my guest – for whatever reason, I cannot type the M word.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Ad Lib….I am here to get back into the real work having wrestled with the metaphysical for several hours….interes ting but lacking quantitative objective standards….sev eral well meaning but stuck folks.

  • AdLib : AB – I think it just exposes what we already know, when the Catholic Bishops support something the GOP supports, it’s an attack on religion. When they support the poor, the GOP flicks them off their shoulder, “That’s only some Catholics saying that.” And if Obama said the same thing in the birth control flap? It would be another attack on religion. Those who know the GOP are just lying bastard know it, those who don’t want to know it, won’t.

  • AlphaBitch : MTS (see, I can learn): Attacking nuns? They do all the work, while the pointy hat guys get all the glory. Go figger.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : AB…re. the Bishops….they are GOP props they trot out when the guys in the pointy hats agree with them and dismiss when they do not….and yesterday the Blessed Prelates joined the War on Women with their attack of the Leadership Conference of WOmen Religious, the nuns.

  • AlphaBitch : AL: Troll brain, dog turd. Same diff.

  • AlphaBitch : Bourne: I like your abbreviation and will adopt it, if I’m not plagerizing it – what is this turnitin crawl???

  • AdLib : Murph, well, scrape that Troll Brain off of the bottom of your shoes with a stick, you can chill out now.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : KT…crazies with lots of money backing their paranoia and raw hate.

  • Chernynkaya : Al, I’m boycotting MSNBC for a while. The whole media disgusts me except for online sites.

  • AlphaBitch : God’s gonna bite ’em in the ass? Wait till Choicelady hears about this……

  • BourneID : Everybody, I call Murph MTS, so MTS, your work today was brilliant.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Cher…thanks for the link. Saw this stuff earlier. He has now “apologized” for bad taste in HIS jokes….these guys are all paet of a nightmare.

  • AdLib : Cher – Chris Matthews today pandered to Andrew Card and let him spew all kinds of BS…at the end admitting he wanted to be kind to him to help get an interview with Bush. The whole game was laid wide open and I doubt many spotted it.

  • KillgoreTrout : AdLib, that “one true god,” thing will bite them in the ass, everytime.

  • Chernynkaya : Opps: «link»

  • MurphTheSurf3 : AB…hi….yeah my heart hurt when he told me about it…some joke.

  • KillgoreTrout : Murph, the crazies will really come out of the woodwork when Obama gets reelected. They can barely contain their hatred now.

  • Chernynkaya : Murph, we can all say someone like Nugent is putrid, but it’s not just some weirdo. Here’s waht Romney’s new spokesperson Tweeted:

  • AlphaBitch : Do you think the Catholic Bishops stance on the Ryan budget will make a diff?

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Cher, KT, AL, Bourne et. al. so good to “see” you. Been battling religious trolls as afternoon.

  • AdLib : Killgore – Yep, I’m loving the Liberty religious bigots reflecting their “Christian” and Republican values towards their nominee!

  • AlphaBitch : Yikes, Murph. That’s truly disgusting.

  • AdLib : AB – So true, which is why we need to work for big majorities especially in the swing states because the Voter ID suppression laws could really steal closer victories around to Romney.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : HERE’S A “JOKE” from the NRA event last week in light of the Nugent dustup this week in the wake of the convention. Here it is…..What do Lincoln, JFK and Obama have in common?….Not much…yet. The nastiness is just so overwhelming and horror provoking. I did not hear the joke but a friend who was there did and it was confirmed in two press reports I read.

  • Chernynkaya : Oh Hi Murph! Just stopped typing long enough to see you.

  • AlphaBitch : Cher: Everybody loves a winner.

  • Chernynkaya : There was an interesting piece at Politico today. The way in was written was shameful, but they made the point how polls #’s determine feelings toward candidates and why Romney needs good numbers for the election–even if they are false numbers, they influence voters.

  • KillgoreTrout : I think it’s hilarious that so many students at Liberty University are protesting Romney giving the commencement address. I find that very funny.

  • AdLib : Cher – So true and once the debates begin, I think Romney will have one setback after another. He is such a blatant liar and flip flopper, he’ll never overcome the deficit with women and Latinos and the likeability factor. He is a slimy, lying millionaire and nothing will change that by Nov.

  • BourneID : Hi MTS

  • AlphaBitch : AdLib: (I just typed AdLip, BTW) – remember Florida? And Ohio? It’s Rove again. I shudder.

  • KillgoreTrout : Howdy Murph!

  • AdLib : Hey Murph!

  • Chernynkaya : AL, it’s not only women and Latinos. Mitt is way underwater on so many issues–even in the WSJ poll. He’s the most unlikable in polling since the 60’s.

  • AdLib : We absolutely shouldn’t talk ourselves into complacency, we need to be very active and energetic in working to re-elect Obama but I think we can do so with far more optimism about the outcome than the MSM would have us believe.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : howdy all

  • AlphaBitch : KT: Well put.

  • KillgoreTrout : Todays MSM is a parasite on our democracy, trying to suck the lifeblood out of our election process.

  • AlphaBitch : And hardly anyone I knew believed Bush would be re-elected. Remember: it’s Karl’s pick. I think info needs to get out to remind people what he did to us once.

  • AdLib : AB – I don’t think the corps could be holding back anymore than they have been doing since 2009. The recovery is continuing despite them.

  • Chernynkaya : Not paranoid at all, AB! The cons will do whatever they can–and they have–to stall the recovery. But know what? American business wants to do business! They have done continued damage, but the American econ is just too large to stifle completely.

  • AdLib : Cher – Just what I was saying, the cross tabs show massive support for Obama among key demos and no big advantage for Romney in the major demos. The numbers just don’t add up. This is a total sham being foisted upon the public and it is damaging to our democracy.

  • AlphaBitch : Cher – but what if it doesn’t? And forgive my paranoia (is it just me??) but what is to stop the Chamber folks from getting corps to hold off on hiring decisions until Dec??

  • Chernynkaya : I think the polls are messed up deliberately or ineptly. The crosstabs don’t add up. We’re being played. If election held today, Obama would win in landslide. If econ. continues to improve even a little, he’s win easily.

  • AlphaBitch : From KTs lips to God’s ears.

  • KillgoreTrout : I’ll pay more attention to the polls after the presidential debates begin. I truly think Obama will slice and dice Romney in a debate.

  • AlphaBitch : Remember, Karl the Cockroach is scurrying about. Why the F anyone would let Mr. Porky Rove pick their next President – since he did SOOOO good w/ W, and they would even admit that – is beyond me.

  • AdLib : AB – The thing is, the polls show that women and Latinos favor Obama by large margins and the white male vote is a toss up. How can they possibly be tied?

  • KillgoreTrout : I say the nation is being played.

  • AlphaBitch : MSM is ginning for ratings, and the race WILL be close.

  • AlphaBitch : Yes to both is my vote.

  • AdLib : AB – I saw her wonderful list! I’ve got to add a few more of my own!

  • Chernynkaya : Have you seen that team Obama is not emphsizing the flip-flopper aspect? I think it’s smart. Indies and low infos could tell themselves he’s not truly severely conservative.

  • AdLib : AB – Since the polls are showing a tied race, one thing we can chat about tonight is whether the nation is being played by the MSM or if it really is a close race.

  • AlphaBitch : Groan – and let the puns begin!! Did you catch Kalima’s Christie Kremes????

  • Chernynkaya : Good to be here, KT.

  • AdLib : As a flip flopper, Romney is Colonel Sandals.

  • KillgoreTrout : Doing great AdLib.

  • Chernynkaya : Likewise AB! Howdy!

  • KillgoreTrout : Hey cher, good to see ya here.

  • KillgoreTrout : I think Romney likes Shake and Bake.

  • AlphaBitch : CHER!!!!!!! SO good to see you.

  • AdLib : Hey Cher!

  • AdLib : Killgore – All is well my way, how are you this fine evening?

  • Chernynkaya : Hi all.

  • AlphaBitch : What’s on the table, AL?

  • AdLib : Hope you’re hungry!

  • AlphaBitch : Ha KT. Long time, no do. Cleaned up all my acts ‘cept cussing when I got the students.

  • KillgoreTrout : What’s up AdLib?

  • AdLib : Hey Alpha, Killgore and Bourne!

  • BourneID : Hi AdLib, din’t I see Murph on when I signed in?

  • AlphaBitch : Yikes. Boss is here

  • KillgoreTrout : Happy 4:20 day for those that partake!

  • AdLib : I’m Baaak!

  • AlphaBitch : Nice to hear, KT. Always nice to hear.

  • KillgoreTrout : Bourne, I am doing great, thanks for asking.

  • BourneID : Hi KT I’m okay, how about you?

  • AlphaBitch : It’s been a long hard six month slog, KT. Now back to music and fun.

  • KillgoreTrout : That’s a good thing AB. A little tranquility is a very nice thing.

  • AlphaBitch : Not me, KT. I’m just hanging out. My life is finally settling down some.

  • KillgoreTrout : Hey Bourne and AB, what’s shakin?

  • AlphaBitch : Too much Steak Diane?

  • AdLib : Popping away for just a minute! BRB!

  • BourneID : Well, I cannot believe. I found VP on my first try. Hello everybody.

  • AdLib : Vox Populi, our live chat about the week’s events begins tonight at 7 pm PST. See you then!

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My motto is, "It is better to have blogged and lost hours of your day, than never to have blogged at all."

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