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SueInCa On April - 9 - 2012

 

What is the White Horse Prophecy and is it important in the presidential race of 2012? The White Horse Prophecy is a statement purported to have been made in 1843 by Joseph Smith, Jr., founder of the Latter Day Saint movement, regarding the future of the Latter Day Saints (Mormons) and the United States of America. The Latter Day Saints, according to the prophecy, would “go to the Rocky Mountains and … be a great and mighty people”, which is identified figuratively with the White Horse described in the Revelation of John. The prophecy further predicts that the United States Constitution will one day “hang like a thread” and will be saved “by the efforts of the White Horse”.  So is the Church the White Horse or is the candidate the White Horse.  I don’t really think the differentiation matters all that much, the fact is that it has been said that if a Mormon ever reaches the White House, they will take their orders from the Church in Salt Lake City.

Writers such as Richard Abanes and Elaine Wolff have speculated, on the basis of the prophecy, that Mormons expect the US to eventually become a “Mormon-ruled theocracy divinely ordained to ‘not only direct the political affairs of the Mormon community, but eventually those of the United States and ultimately the world'”, and that “a Mormon, if he were elected president, would take his orders from Salt Lake City.” In addition many LDS members of the Republican Party and some LDS Democrats have also been inspired to run for office by the White Horse Prophecy.  As is written below Michael Moody ran for Governor of Nevada in 1982 and made statements to the effect he was doing so to help Mitt Romney in the future.  That would have been 9 years after Romney graduated from college and he would have been around 32 or 33.   The authenticity of the prophecy as a whole, which was not made public until long after Smith’s death, is debated, and the leadership of the LDS Church has stated that “the so-called ‘White Horse Prophecy’ … is not embraced as Church doctrine.” However, the belief that members of the LDS Church will one day need to take action to save the imperiled US Constitution has been attributed to Smith in several sources and has been discussed in an approving fashion by Brigham Young and other LDS leaders.

 

From the JOD{journal of discourses}:

“The Saints Will Yet Save the Constitution-When the day comes in which the Kingdom of God will bear rule, the flag of the United States will proudly flutter unsullied on the flagstaff of liberty and equal rights, without a spot to sully its fair surface; the glorious flag our fathers have bequeathed to us will then be unfurled to the breeze by those who have power to hoist it aloft and defend its sanctity. (JOD 2:317).”

“How long will it be before the words of the prophet Joseph will be fulfilled? He said if the Constitution of the United States were saved at all it must be done by this people. It will not be many years before these words come to pass. 12:204.”

“The Lord told the Prophet Joseph Smith there would be an attempt to overthrow the country by destroying the Constitution. Joseph Smith predicted that the time would come when the Constitution would hang, as it were, by a thread, and at that time “this people will step forth and save it from the threatened destruction” (Journal of Discourses, 7:15). It is my conviction that the elders of Israel, widely spread over the nation, will at that crucial time successfully rally the righteous of our country and provide the necessary balance of strength to save the institutions of constitutional government.”

“If the Gentiles on this land reject the word of God and conspire to overthrow liberty and the Constitution, their doom is fixed, and they “shall be cut off from among my people who are of the covenant” (1 Nephi 14:6; 3 Nephi 21:11, 14, 21; D&C 84:114-15, 117). (Teachings of Ezra Taft Benson, p. 618-619 & God, Family, Country, p. 345.)”

Perhaps, like the Bible, Mormons would say there are many translations for these entries. However I think they are fairly clear that LDS think they are going to be in a position to save this country and if Proposition 8 in California is any indication, they will pour funds in to a campaign in order to affect the outcome.  You also have to consider that Mitt Romney not only has lied continuously but has flip-flopped all over the place and it would not be beyond the pale for him to lie about this as well.

Consider this, when Mitt Romney received his patriarchal blessing as a Michigan teenager, he was told that the Lord expected great things from him.  All young Mormon men receive such a blessing as they embark on their requisite journeys as religious missionaries.  But at 19 years of age, the youngest son of the most prominent Mormon in American politics, a seventh-generation direct descendant of one of the faith’s founding 12 apostles, Mitt Romney had been singled out as a destined leader.

Upon completion of his foreign mission, he immersed himself in the 1970 senatorial campaign of his mother, Lenore Romney, who was running against Phillip Hart in the Michigan general election. That same year, the Cougar Club, the all male social club at Brigham Young University was humming with talk that its president, Mitt Romney, would become the first Mormon president of the United States. “If not Mitt, then who?” was the ubiquitous slogan within the elite organization. The pious world of BYU was expected to spawn the man who would lead the Mormons into the White House and fulfill the prophecies of the church’s founder, Joseph Smith Jr.  And Mitt Romney has avidly sought to realize this prophesy/expectation.

At BYU, he was idolized by fellow students and referred to, only half jokingly, as the “One Mighty and Strong.”  He was the “alpha male” in the rarefied Cougar pack, according to Michael D. Moody, a BYU classmate and fellow member of the group. Romney, who had been the assistant to the president of the French Mission where he was personally in charge of more than 200 missionaries, easily assumed a leadership position in the club. So it seemed disingenuous to his former club mates when, in a 2006 magazine interview, Romney denied his longtime political aspirations. “I have to admit I did not think I was going to be in politics,” he told the American Spectator.  “Had I thought politics was in my future, I would not have chosen Massachusetts as the state of my residence.  I would have stayed in Michigan where my Dad’s name was golden.”

Michael Moody, a fellow Cougar member, says political success was an institutional value of the LDS church.

“The instructions in my [patriarchal] blessing, which I believed came directly from Jesus, motivated me to seek a career in government and politics,” he wrote in his 2008 book. Moody recently said that he ran for governor of Nevada in 1982 because he felt he had been divinely directed to “expand our kingdom” and help Romney “lead the world into the Millennium. Once a firm believer but now a church critic, Moody was indoctrinated with the White Horse Prophecy.  Like Romney, Moody is a seventh-generation Mormon, steeped in the same intellectual and theological milieu.

“We were taught that America is the Promised Land,” he said in an interview.”The Mormons are the Chosen People.  And the time is now for a Mormon leader to usher in the second coming of Christ and install the political Kingdom of God in Washington, D.C.”

Mormonism defines not only Mitt Romney’s character, but what kind of president he would be and what impulses would drive him in both domestic and foreign policy.  Like his father before him, Romney has charted a course from missionary to businessman, from church bishop to politician, to presidential candidate.  The influence that Mormonism has had on him has dominated every step of the way.

The church is one of the world’s richest institutions, a multibillion-dollar business empire that includes agribusiness, mining, insurance, electronic and print media, manufacturing, movie production, commercial real estate, defense contracting, retail stores and banking, the Mormon church has unprecedented economic and political power.(the picture to the left is the Hawaii Temple on Oahu and is typical of the lavish design all their temples)  Despite their beliefs against any act or tolerance of gambling, Mormons have been heavily invested and exceptionally influential in the Nevada gaming industry since the great expansion of modern Las Vegas in the 1950s.  Mormons have long been recruited into top positions in government agencies and multinational corporations, likely because of their strong adherance to the prohibition of liquor, tobacco and other vices. They are prominent in such institutions as the CIA, FBI and the national nuclear weapons laboratories, giving the church a sphere of influence unlike any other American religion in the top echelons of government.

Mitt Romney was groomed for a prominent position in the church, first as a missionary, then as a bishop, and then as a stake president, becoming the highest-ranking Mormon leader in Boston, the equivalent of a cardinal of the Roman Catholic Church.

Mormonism’s founding theology was based upon a literal takeover of the U.S. government. In light of the theology and prophecies of the Church, not amended by the LDS hierarchy, it would seem that the office of the American presidency is the ultimate ecclesiastical position to which a Mormon leader might aspire.  So it really is a question of whether Romney believes that the American presidency is also a theological position.

Romney is uncomfortable and has said he will not discuss his religion on the campaign trail as he claims, rightly so, that religion is not a constitutional requirement for office of the President.  So, perhaps, the question is whether, based on all of the flip-flops on virtually every policy, he has an underlying religious conception of the presidency and the American government but is fearful of talking which could lead into further information he does not want the public to know.  We do know that at the GOP presidential debate in Florida, Romney claimed the Declaration of Independence is a theological document, not specific to the rebellious 13 colonies, but establishing a covenant “between God and man.”  This would suggest that Mitt Romney views the American presidency as a theological office.

Whether or not the whispers are true it does bear some investigation as we have all known members of religious entities not being candid when confronted with certain aspects of either their doctrine or statements they may have made when they thought no one was looking.  All I can say is I do not want to be in a position to find out if it is true or not.  It is so clear that Romney is not a person who should be trusted with the highest position and office in this land if you only look at his flip flops.  However when you look at the total man, to me, it only gets worse.  He will lie if he has to, what would he do with world leaders?  What would he do with Congress?  But most important of all, what would he do with the people?  We already had a George W Bush, we do not need another Liar in Chief.

Extra Tidbits:

Not sure if this is very well known but a little tidbit of trivia here, Huntsman and Romney are cousins.

Mitt Romney in a presentation to students at Harvard Business School in 1978: “Your children don’t pay any evidence of achievement for 20 years,” Mr. Romney said. But if students failed to invest sufficient time and energy in their spouses and children, their families could become “dogs” — consultant-speak for drags on the rest of the company — sucking energy, time and happiness out of the students. The presentation was a hit: Mr. Romney had proved the value of family time based not on emotion but on yield.

Michael Moody to Romney in his new book-Set Our People Free Mitt-Moody States: “Either you see it or you don’t, and since you still don’t see it, I can’t quietly stand aside and watch you march into the American Presidency with your ankle chained to Joseph Smith. The White House must not be controlled by a man who believes in a phantom ancient culture, believes the fictitious Book of Mormon the most correct book on earth and who reveres Joseph Smith as a Christian prophet. Your political success would advance the Mormon cult kingdom, and that’s unacceptable. Not on my watch!”

http://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/peopleandpower/2012/04/201244114433199395.html
On Michael Moody’s new book, “Mitt – Set Our People Free”
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/06/magazine/06mormonism-t.html?_r=2&oref=slogin
Noah Feldman NYT – What Is It About Mormonism?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Horse_Prophecy

 

 

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Written by SueInCa

I am a soon to be 59 Nana to Anthony who is 11. I live in Benicia CA with my husband and Shih Tsu. I worked in Banking and the Financial Industry for 24 years in Fraud, Risk Management, Account Management, Program Management, Project Management and Customer Service. I was a Fraud Investigator for Credit Card and Merchant Business and investigated internal fraud and responded to Bank robberies. I was also management in most of these positions. Now I am content to find a part time job where I am just a worker bee, no more corporate BS for this gal. I also make jewelry. I can spend hours in a bead shop just touching all the fine baubles. Only another beader would understand that one.

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  1. SallyT says:

    Sherlock, Dr. Watson spent 8 long years in SLC, UT. You have done a great job with this article. I heard about the plans for Romney way back there in 1979. He is their golden boy. If you don’t think that the church will have any control, you just have to live there for awhile to realize how much they can. Looking forward to your next article!

  2. SueInCa says:

    Ok I can say it now. A little story:

    When we went to Hawaii for the first time back in 1979 we went to the Hawaiian Cultural Center. As we went from country to country I finally figured out this place was run by the Mormon church. These people were working for the church and I don’t remember the park being called out as a Mormon run adventure. It kind of pissed me off because at the time I was so vehemently against any kind of religion.

    In 1996 we went back again with my mom and brother. We stayed 4 days on Oahu and my mom wanted to go to the Hawaiian Cultural Center. I did not want to go but I knew she really really did so we agreed to take her. We stopped at the temple because again my mom. I had my revenge. I got in a smoke on temple grounds before the mormon fuzz came and told me to put it out. It was my rebellion for a sneaky religion that took my money without telling me I was supporting a church. Second time was my choice.

  3. AdLib says:

    Wonderful article Sue and it’s got a lot of Facebook circulation I see, well deserved!

    What bewilders me is that if Romney is an ideal representation of the Mormon church, it would be an incredible condemnation of Mormonism.

    Is the Mormon church unprincipled, immoral, greedy, cruel, devoid of empathy, deceitful and constantly depending on and trafficking in lies?

    I know for a fact that there are many Mormons who are just the opposite but in such a totalitarian religion where dissent is forbidden and dangerous, it would be risking a great deal for such Mormons to publicly criticize or condemn Romney even is their sense of right and wrong is offended by him.

    Romney plainly emits waves of insensitivity, we KNOW he doesn’t care about the majority of Americans, we don’t need him to explain it to us.

    His lie this week is only boomeranging on him as all of his lies do, claiming falsely that during Obama’s Presidency, 92% of those who lost their jobs were women. Even on the face of it, it’s absurd and ridiculous. He couldn’t have lied a little less and fabricated 62%? Nope, he had to go the Full Romney and lie as big as he could.

    All Romney has to run on is greed and lies and with much of the public already predisposed to discount what he says because of his ongoing track record of lies, I don’t believe he can ever reverse those perceptions no matter how many Etch-a-Sketches he emulates.

    Romney is not and never will be “one of us”. He doesn’t even have the joy and compassion that many Mormons exude. He may be seen as superior and a leader by the Mormon status quo but the majority of Americans simply won’t buy that fraud.

    They may see Romney as their White Horse but the majority of Americans polled see him as a jackass.

    • SueInCa says:

      My next article is going to profile the people working in his campaign. Full of Bush people.

      • bito says:

        Sue, Here’s one guy you can start with:

        Robert Bork: Former judge and failed Supreme Court nominee Robert Bork is the co-chair of Romney’s “Judicial Advisory Committee.” Bork opposed the Civil Rights Act of 1964, which bans employment and other discrimination against women, calling the idea that laws can require private companies to cease discriminating a “principle of unsurpassed ugliness.” More recently, the top Romney legal advisor mocked the very idea that gender discrimination even exists. In Bork’s words, “[i]t seems to me silly to say, ‘Gee, they’re discriminated against and we need to do something about it.’ They aren’t discriminated against anymore.”

        http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/04/12/463276/meet-the-romney-campaigns-anti-women-surrogates/

        • SueInCa says:

          Bito

          Two great minds. I clicked on your twitter link and what did I find? I then googled it and got a complete list maybe 20 pages long. It is not going to be a pretty post LOL. I don’t pull punches

          • bito says:

            Sue, You go girl! I think all of his military/defense (or should I say war?) advisories are from the neo-con pro Iraq war and pro Iran war set aren’t they?

            • SueInCa says:

              Yep that is mainly what I was looking for too. IYO what is a good day to post so maximum people will see it?

    • SueInCa says:

      Adlib

      Wow 158 shares? That is pretty good. Should I go ahead and offer it to Leah as a repost?

      Michael Moody did write a book to Mitt but he had already left the church. I have met many mormon people as well and as far as their religion goes, I say live and let live, as long as they don’t try to recruit me.

      It is funny I had a close friend when I was young and they were mormon. I went to sunday school with her once and her dad really did have a second wife. Apparently her mom was not complete mormon because she filed for divorce LOL>

  4. jjgravitas says:

    This is why “Seperation of church and state” is embedded in the constitution, in the First Amendment, to prevent something like this from ever happening. We have freedom of religion in this country. For individuals, not for government. The government is and must remain secular, regardless of anything the republicans might say.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Amendment_to_the_Constitution_of_the_United_States

  5. MurphTheSurf3 says:

    Sue- the point you make in all of this is that Romney is unlike any previous presidential candidate.

    He is a leader in his church (despite his current lack of public office). He is a leader in a church with a long standing and unrepudiated creed of cultic triumphalism.

    Unlike JFK he cannot make an honest speech about not governing in obeisance to his religious belief because The Latter Day Saints are firmly committed to the creation of a Mormon nation.

    It’s important to bring this information to the fore. Happy to see it here but how to sow the seed…..

  6. Excellent and insightful article Sue. Usually politicians are either driving by two things when they run for president. Personal ambition, they have a vision for the country they want to employ or for some misguided personal reason. Obviously President Obama is a vision candidate. Conversely, GWB obviously wanted to be president because he just wanted to stick it in his father’s eye because Bush Sr. told him all his life he would never amount to anything. It was always Jeb Bush who was suppose to be president.

    I don’t think it’s as clear with Romney but you make a great argument that it’s his religion and he thinks he’s the chosen one. Romney does seem to be indoctrinated by his programming. I think being Mormon and all that entails is the biggest part but another big part is his father’s influence. George Romney was never happy with the fact that Mittens when the business route and I think some of the his political ambitions later in his life is build on a guilt trip. The sad part is it seems that Willard is the shadow of a man his father was.

    • choicelady says:

      Another “Chosen One”? W actually thought HE was -- his conversion under Franklin Graham led him to that chutzpah (not pronounced Chootz-puh by another person who thought SHE was the Chosen.) Sarah, Mike, Pat Robertson, Jimmy Swaggert…the list is very long these days.

      Y’know it’s getting so that there is such a field of the Chosen, the Elect, the One, the Only, the Whatever, that I believe it is incumbent upon me to declare -- I AM NOT THE CHOSEN ONE.

      There. Don’t you feel better already? That ensures you that at least ONE person is not vying for whatever it is these self-designated prophets are vying for. I imagine you all feel the same. I like the idea of all of us who are the NON chosen all kind of moseying along, trying to make life a bit better, smelling the roses and planting tulips or something.

      And keeping ALL the “chosen” out of power, out of our bedrooms, out of our lives. and especially out of the White House.

    • SueInCa says:

      KQuark

      You have a point as well but I do believe not only Mitt but others have been groomed by the church to go into politics. Many may have had ideas on the presidency but Mitt and George,Orrin Hatch and Mo Udall are the only ones who have run I think. The rest have gone after the smaller prizes. It is too bad a father’s wish for a son has been dropped onto a person so unprepared to be a world leader.

  7. kesmarn says:

    You’ve done it again, BFF! Terrific research as always.

    Isn’t it always more than a little scary when a sect regards itself as superior, chosen, and feels obliged to establish a kingdom in this world by whatever means necessary? This never ends well.

    I just re-watched Ken Burns documentary on Thomas Jefferson, and it would be such a good idea if Romney, Santorum and all the other religious zealots would take a good look at what one of their sainted Founders actually did have to say on the topic of religion and politics:

    Where the preamble declares, that coercion is a departure from the plan of the holy author of our religion, an amendment was proposed by inserting “Jesus Christ,” so that it would read “A departure from the plan of Jesus Christ, the holy author of our religion;” the insertion was rejected by the great majority, in proof that they meant to comprehend, within the mantle of its protection, the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mohammedan, the Hindoo and Infidel of every denomination.
    -Thomas Jefferson, Autobiography, in reference to the Virginia Act for Religious Freedom

    • SueInCa says:

      BFF

      Surely you jest they would rather pick up the revisionist history of David Barton because it fits the narrative they want to hear. This is also a problem in home schooling and as the Texas textbooks enjoy more circulation, our history will be so distorted it will be difficult to know what is truth and what is fiction. Which, by the way is exactly what the right wants.

      Not to fear, though, I have my Peoples’ History by Howard Zinn in hardback and on my Kindle. I can always give real history lessons.

  8. coveark says:

    Wow Sue, this is a very thought provoking and informative article. Mitt…….just what we do not need………” Santorum” incognito with apparantly more sinister ties to a cult that fared well in the land of $$$$$.
    I guess we are all dogs to him. That is already evident. It boggles the mind that we as a nation are so divided and pulled down by Hocus Pocus.
    ” Elders of Israel”…”direct line” Blah blah blah. ” Constitution hanging by a thread” Blah, Blah…………..Honest to Pete, Wacko, sinister, not the American way or it should not be.

    • SueInCa says:

      Thanks Coveark. I try to be an informative voter and if I can pass on what I believe to be truthful reporting I will do that everytime. I know I am pleased when people share as well. You are right, the right side of the aisle is crazy.


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