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Truth On February - 20 - 2011

Deygirl and I decided very spontaneously to take on this subject. One poster had mentioned that someone should write an article about the manipulation at Huffington Post. First it was suggested that the poster him- or herself should take on the job – until deygirl brought up the idea that several people could join in the endeavor.  This idea instantly hit home and got us, thanks to AdLib showing up in the right moment, going. I have to admit, I had NO clue how fast deygirl would get the ball rolling! Having had the idea of such a project on my mind for some time, I was nowhere near getting it started. But she immediately published Part 1 of the “Invite For Collaboration” and so: here we are! Processing the reactions on deygirl’s thread and piecing them together with my ideas, the project soon burst its boundaries of one single article. The sheer amount of material pointed towards an ongoing series named

Secrets From Beyond The Emerald Curtain

– An investigation into the Huffington Post and its founder –

The goal of this endeavor is to bring out the truth on this subject AND make it known to a wider public later on, either as a synopsis of all the articles or in a somewhat abbreviated version of the entire series. This will depend on our findings and what makes sense at that point. (Possible earnings out of this endeavor go solely to the administrators of Planet POV and are meant to be donated to projects to their liking that help America as well as to Planet POV.)

Moreover, by reading and working on this ongoing series many of us may become aware for the first time of the sheer magnitude of the betrayal as well as of the fierce manipulation that took place behind the scenes.Therefore the process is also meant to purge and induce healing.

A wide range of themes will be covered: how we innocently came to Huff, how we found out that the founder may never be criticized, how our opinions increasingly were muzzled and meaningful dialogue amongst each other was hindered, to connecting the dots what the misleading headlines were for, how manipulation was used on purpose and how this in the end worked so very well to establish another billion dollar empire which does neither report the news nor serve the American people. Turns out, Huffington is not the progressive she had claimed to be, her outlet with AOL as the owner is fiercely neocon and her lifestyle doesn’t even remotely match her claim that she’s someone who “fights 3rd world America” and stands for the middle class. I’m sorry, but I have to throw up, really!  Oh, never mind that she’s flying first class all the time. After all, this is the norm for every middle class champion with 6000 slaves, aka citizen journalists.

All the while the President was working extremely hard to improve the lives of everybody. Painted by the right-wing media as either a Do-Nothing-And-Ever-So-Weak-President or a totalitarian Dictator in turns or even simultaneously, Mr. Obama is silently doing the needful, step by step. According to his promise he has highest respect for the democratic process. That means, he respects the role of House and Senate. Nevertheless he is blamed for everything that is not instantly fixed, no matter how dire the situation really has been. And curiously, left-wingers, who during the Bush years were screaming for more democracy, now accused him of being a spineless wimp. Ah, the irony!

But then this tendency is VERY much to the liking of Arianna Huffington. After seeing the revenue going down once the elections 2008 were over, she started bashing the President almost before he even sat down in the Oval Office for the first time. Her concerted and relentless effort to paint the President as a two-faced, weak liar and sell-out soon bore its foul fruit. Bill Maher, another so called progressive, chimed in. The floodgates were opened. The left weakened itself by ranting against their own people while the tea-partiers got undue media attention to make it look as if they alone speak for “the American people”. After some time I realized there is nearly no mention of any protests from the left on Huffington Post.

Unruffled and calm as usual, the President continues his work, trying to do the best under the given circumstances. Many of his own people don’t have his back, accusing him not to have theirs. Moreover, by pitting President Obama and half term ex-governor Palin into a highly imaginary fight against each other (- the President has barely acknowledged the latter’s existence-) Huffington increases revenue. At the same time she abuses the two of them masterfully to deflect from her own countless shortcomings. Secretly admiring both and knowing she’ll never come anywhere close to President Obama – neither in excellency of character nor in intelligence or skills – she emulates her secret idol Palin, who has very much the same problem with the President as Huffington and by nature is very close to her own narcissistic, if not megalomaniac,  personality.

As much as I dislike Palin, I almost feel sorry for her playing a useful idiot to Huffington (and other media, for that matter). At least Palin  has something that remotely resembles core values, whereas Arianna follows what is fashionable and profitable for her at any given time. The AOL sellout and the ensuing final decay of the HP proves beyond doubt who in reality is the two-faced and inconsistent person she was painting the President to be. Sad enough, countless liberal and progressive people are still buying into her narrative, in spite of the fact that her betrayal and falseness are as obvious as Palin’s and that she is on record stating Huffington Post is NOT a progressive outlet. To drive home this point succinctly is one more important goal of this project.

So far several posters indicated that they would like to participate in the project. They and everyone else who is interested to join please contact this email: 2emeraldcurtain@gmail.com

Whoever wants, can also participate under a different name. I’m quite sure the HP accounts of those who dare to speak out – even on another outlet – are prone to be deleted if the person is easily recognizable. (Should this happen, thanks for the additional material, Arianna.)

In any case, if you choose to take part please state what you would like to write about and why, or what else you would like to do. Besides writers we need one person to create the ongoing theme/title for the series of about 15 episodes, a cartoonist to brighten up the affair and to cut right to the chase of the matter, as well as an illustrator who can bring a fairy tale atmosphere, including wicked witch and all, to the story.

The writer’s subjects range from innocently showing up at HP to the increasing censoring, the zero tolerance of criticizing the founder even mildly, disappearance of well thought out posts, stifling and muzzling of dialogue, experience of being threatened and/or banned, rude put-downs when confronting HP for anything, misleading headlines including the ensuing riling users up against the right and then ourselves on a daily basis, comparison of Palin’s and Huffington’s personalities, the influence of Huffington’s cult, the constant put-down of President Obama: political reasons or only for the money? etc.

A sales manager could prepare him- or herself in the background… Wouldn’t it be NICE to make a good buck on Huffington for a change?!? Ha! This however is only going to happen, if some of you excellent writers and artists join into the effort. A simple rookie like me won’t cut it… My dear Planeteers, you inspired me. Thank you, and sure enough more ideas are most welcome.

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  1. Truth says:

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  2. Truth says:

    The following is about the cult Arianna Huffington and her sister Agapi are or were a part of. Towards the end of this excerpt AH states that she never saw evidence of John-Roger, the cult leader, wanting to control people. But then, is she trustworthy, considering this:

    At Cambridge she studied economics and was president of the university’s storied debating society, the Cambridge Union—which has made her a master sophist, capable of cutting an issue 16 ways and winning the argument without revealing what she really believes.

    Suzanna Andrews, http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2005/12/huffington200512?

    Hmmmm….and… “wanting to control people….” does it ring a bell, when I think of the way comments and deletions and more were handled over at HP???

    Full article is here: http://www.people.com/people/archive/article/0,,20100035,00.html

    Susan Whitmore finally decided that her guru, John-Roger, was no man of God the day her husband’s life was threatened. In fact, the evidence had been accumulating for some time. Six months earlier, Susan’s husband, Wendell Whitmore, now 42, and his twin brother, Wesley, had left John-Roger’s Los Angeles-based Movement of Spiritual Inner Awareness (MSIA), denouncing its founder as a fraud. Since then they had been subjected to a campaign of hate mail, vandalism and death threats. Still, Susan believed she could confront J-R, as his followers call him, and reason with him.

    John-Roger agreed to meet with her in January 1984, but his message was hardly encouraging. “He told me that the vandalism was a warning and that he was personally touched that someone loved him enough to do it,” says Susan, 37. “He informed me that some people wanted to kill Wendell and Wesley. He spent 10 minutes telling me how they were going to make it look like a car accident. He said that no one would be able to trace it back to him.” (…)

    (…)Once initiated into J-R’s circle, say former disciples, followers hesitate to leave, if not for fear of reprisals, then out of reluctance to blow their chances at salvation. John-Roger has warned, after all, that the Mystical Traveler Consciousness visits earth only once every 25,000 years. Moreover, concedes defector Matthew Cohen, many of the faithful “sincerely believe in the goodness of John-Roger and what he’s doing.” Among them is best-selling author Arianna Stassinopoulos Huffington (Picasso: Creator and Destroyer), who rejects the charges of John-Roger’s critics. “These rumors have no validity,” she says. “I have known John-Roger for 15 years, and there is nothing in my experience of the man to support any of these allegations. I have never once seen any evidence of him wanting to control people.”

    The above people article is from September 26, 1988. If she knew him for 15 years then means that she was involved with this cult from 1973 onwards, and presumably up to today. I did read in one of the newer articles that she met with him for dinner and that he was a good friend. More details in the planned series.

  3. JackRusselTerrier says:

    I sent this to their tip section…

    My comment at the bottom of this “tip” was made on a thread which was NOT fully moderated, titled -- “Pro-Union Website ‘Defend Wisconsin’ Blocked In Capitol”

    It is a waste of time to comment on HP. I rarely come to your site anymore. There is no rhyme or reason in your moderation policy. You have zero consistency. I’ve seen comments which violated no policy whatsoever get scrubbed. I’ve seen disruptive and abusive posters achieve pundit status. People use extra socks to game the system. They make a rude comment and flag it with the other sock. Eventually they achieve moderation status for flagging their own comments. They use this power to delete dissenting opinions. Word filters have no discerning ability. You have them set high to censure the majority of the English language. Your articles are designed to create controversy not foster solutions. It’s all about the clicks. How sad. This website had so much potential. Now it’s just one more MSM propaganda machine. You are not helping. You are dividing the nation which allows the plutocrats to continue their version of the status quo.

    “This comment is pending approval and won’t be displayed until it is approved.

    Do you think Homeland Security will be used to protect you or to protect those in power from you?

    Welcome to the New World Order”

    JRT

    • Truth says:

      JackRussellTerrier, great to see you. Wow! That comment you could land is so spot on! If we could use it for the project it would be excellent. And if you want to join us you’re sure enough more than welcome. My email is mentioned above.

      Thanks to Chernynkaya’s Daily News, (The Daily Planet), including suggestions as to what to do, thankfully there is really no single reason to go to HuffPost anymore. I feel appalled every time I open the site.

      Thanks for sharing your letter to HP. I’m glad they heard from at least one person what we think is wrong.

  4. intotheabyss says:

    One of the angles I was hoping to use in this collaboration is Arianna’s membership in that strange cult. I spent a fair amount of time doing a Google search on the subject. I found I had to wade through a ton of right wing allegations of her “communist upbringing”. Her parents were apparently opposed to the US backed fascist dictatorship that was ruling Greece at the time. Horrors! The right, for the most part is still buying the meme that Ms. H. is a lefty. The reason I wanted to bring up the cult involvement is because I think a lot of her devotes aren’t aware of it and would find it disconcerting. After finding it difficult to gather much information on the subject, I think it merits a mention, but the larger story is more likely her chameleon like political persona. She obviously changes her stripes when ever it suits her monetary needs, not to mention her insatiable thirst for attention. I’ll work on putting something together from that angle instead.

    • Truth says:

      intotheabyss, good to see you. I am working on the cult part and I remember that I found more info earlier and I try to re-find this. However, it’s going to be difficult to pin her down on the cult thing, it was my plan too. But I guess it’s nearly impossible, because she is too savvy with words and thus averted this catastrophe earlier when she was under a broad media attack. Here is why:

      At Cambridge she studied economics and was president of the university’s storied debating society, the Cambridge Union—which has made her a master sophist, capable of cutting an issue 16 ways and winning the argument without revealing what she really believes.

      Suzanna Andrews, http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2005/12/huffington200512?

      Suzanna Andrews wrote this very good article in 2005. There’s a lot of information on the chameleon like changes too. So even this was out there long ago! Yet I find it a good idea to harp on that again, for she has had a few more color changes since 2005. Please contact me by email for further discussion.

    • jkkFL says:

      I did a bit of digging on that angle and found this somewhat lengthy expose from CultHelp.. a source that I have occasionally used for info on other news..I can’t totally vouch for their info, but they seem to be fairly straightforward.

      http://www.culthelp.info/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=828&Itemid=10&limit=1&limitstart=7
      If anyone wants to use this reference as part of their article, they are welcome to it..
      Cults creep me out, and I don’t really want to study this info in detail, having been on the fringes of cults in an earlier life.

      • Truth says:

        jkkFL, thanks for the link. Don’t worry, I am already working on that part, so no need for you to do that. And even if I wouldn’t, please only work on what you really like to work on. — Oh, I just saw you mailed me, so I contact you there.

        • jkkFL says:

          Truth-
          I don’t know much about Arianna, and I just offered to proof.
          I don’t have any plans to write.
          However, I have done research in the past, and was just offering to help others if they needed some help researching.
          I know how time consuming it can be.

        • jkkFL says:

          Not trying to steal thunder here- Just saw intotheabyss’ comment and threw in what I had. Didn’t mean to overlap someone’s assignment.
          Sorry

          • Truth says:

            No worries, you didn’t know jkk, because it was on purpose that I let it open so far who would do what, just to figure out who has which interest.

            And really, it is the most important to go with the flow of our own hearts.

            If then still two or more people want to work on the same issue we need to see how to coordinate. Btw sorry, I still had no time for the email, but it will come.

            ***Edit: great link, thanks again.

  5. Chernynkaya says:

    This is a perfect example of HP’s slant:

    Daley, Chief Of Staff, Earned $8.7 Million From JPMorgan Last Year

    What a shock-- a guy who worked for Wall St made too much money. We already know that Daley worked on Wall St--HP blasted that from the rooftops. We get it. But to mention his salary again--why? No other reason than to solidify the narrative that Obama is a corporate tool.

    But here’s an odd thing: I saw this story and was going to comment about it, but I was gone for an hour. Came back, and the story was removed from HP--I had to Google it. What’s up with that??

    And these stories? I don’t believe that they are published to show what asshats the Repubs are; I believe they are published to MAKE THE SAME POINT AND REPEAT THE MEMES!

    “Bachmann: Obama Makes Jimmy Carter Look Like Rambo”

    “Donald Rumsfeld: Obama Didn’t Deserve The Nobel Peace Prize”

    And get a load of THIS:
    “RNC Chips Away At Massive Debt” Really? What a great Party, huh?

    And what are we to make of this:
    “Bachmann On How ‘Inner Assurance,’ Prayer Will Impact 2012 Plans” IMO, that headline is way too supportive.

    Oh, and how about this from Sam {{SPIT}}} Stein:

    “Texas Dems To Fleeing Wisconsin Lawmakers: ‘Call Your Spouses For Conjugal Visits’ ”

    Really, Sam?? THAT”S the important message about Wisconsin, you asswipe?

  6. audadvnc says:

    This is an interesting opportunity to hoist the Empress on her own petard. But don’t confuse the issue of demonizing Her with lauding the President. Sooner or later, you will find that Pres. Obama has been just as neocon and duplicitous as Arianna has been, and you’ll find this article is naught but a fan letter to Obama.

    • Truth says:

      audadvnc, it is true, I do laud the President, for this is how I feel about him. And the atmosphere on Huff was not such that I could share my feelings, therefore I bottled them up inside. Now naturally I couldn’t resist to share them here. But I don’t demonize AH. Oh well, maybe I did in this piece. But what I’m really trying is to get to the heart of the matter. She did distort the perception about the president and I feel compelled to take a strong stance against that. Therefore I never joined in finding fault with the president.

      Here’s some food for thought: The famous spiritual leader Yogananda once was asked his opinion about the many failures in his organization. He simply said something along those lines: If I concentrate on the failures of the organization, I can spend several lifetimes to do so. What for? I concentrate on what is working.

      I found this advice a wise one.

      Yet I am open to discuss real issues or concerns about the president. If you write an article spiked with facts, not with talking points (which btw stem in a large part of the picture AH is painting on a daily basis) you will sure get response here. Or, you can write it as an opinion piece, but then declare it as such.

    • choicelady says:

      Evidence please? I have yet to have anyone show me a single fact -- oh, sure, lots of allegations -- about his actually doing something that is in sync with the neo-conservatives.

      • HelenWheels says:

        If you read Glenn Greenwald, you will see the whole gamut. It is true, but I realize it’s very hard for people to support Obama to believe.

        In any case, you’ll see it in time, sadly. Believe me, I’m not happy about all I know.

        :(

      • KQuark says:

        Most people don’t even know what neo-cons are when they say that. The biggest tenant of neo-cons is spreading democracy through force and propaganda. President Obama has done just the opposite especially when dealing with situations like Egypt, Iran and Libya. He’s shown the utmost restraint and pragmatic foreign policy in matters that originated in his presidency.

        • HelenWheels says:

          THere is much, much, MUCH more to the neocon agenda. Most of it doesn’t even have to do with world-domination. Most of it has to do with dominating every single person in this country. Right now their agenda is busting the unions, for example. Corporatizing schoools….etc. They already spent 30 years dummying us down. I can’t even think of an aspect in our lives in which they aren’t in charge and are making worse…. whether it’s climate change, attempts at new energy sources, poisoning the environment, etc. They are dominating it all.

  7. Truth says:

    This, however, is touching and comes as far as I’m concerned from the real Arianna.

    http://ariannaonline.huffingtonpost.com/columns/column.php?id=729

    Also glad to see that she didn’t have that air of evilness around her always. That gives me hope.

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  8. Redemption Song II says:

    Arianna Huffington, in all her glory, is a public figure and is, therefore, wide open to public comment. For those writing an article on her, “Comment away”!! (It’s the least anyone could do. :))

  9. biznesschic says:

    Ha. I too was puzzled by HP lack of support for the president. The misleading headlines and the unflattering pictures of our president left me wondering “whats going on here”, until Ms H posted a holiday staff picture. The lack of diversity in the racial and age makeup of her staff rivaled a young republican convention. Clearly, it did not represent the Democratic party.

    Funny thing is, when some of us posters called her out, an article,(with pictures) of her work with the Harlem school for girls miraculously appeared, and a month later, we “colored” folks got our own black section. Laughable isn’t it?

    • choicelady says:

      Arianna was a supporter of Hillary’s. Hillary is deeply tied to the Dominionist right pseudo Christians in having Doug Coe, leader of C Street and The Family as her pastor and mentor. AH supported that crowd for YEARS during her halcyon days with Newt, her own husband, et al., so I think she and Hillary were and are in sync. I do not trust Hillary. I do not trust Arianna -- I think the march of the Dominionists is the most dangerous phenomenon in America, and these two lead the pack. Obama specifically distances himself from the core corporatists surrounding the C Street folks and he ascribes to very different principles of morality. His victory then was a disaster for C Street and their web of CIA, Cold War neo-cons, and those who believe American Exceptionalism means we wade in, guns blazing, into every hiccup in every nation in the world. His refusal to do that -- to ratify Honduran RW coup leaders, his willingness to stay OUT of Egypt and now other MidEast upheaveals -- is the first time since before WW II, maybe since the War of 1898, that we’ve ceased to impose US imperial goals on every other nation.

      So not only is Hillary far more embedded in the traditional imperial mind set of C Street and their allies but Obama is a direct threat to them. Arianna, as part of the former network of RW imperialists, needs to bring Obama down. She is the most duplicitous person using progressive memes to undermind progressive actions and thus secure the RW forever and a day. It’s her real people. It’s he real home.

      • escribacat says:

        Choicelady, I actually wasn’t reading HuffnPuff much during the primaries in 2008 but I understood from other posters that the site was viciously bashing Hillary throughout the primaries.

        • Truth says:

          escribacat, glad to see you. Cher introduced me to your “Rashamon” . Excellent work! This could build the heart of the chapter which makes the point how AH is working against Obama and the Dems. (Whereas I’m not sure if you collected also material concerning the Dems specifically. It was another idea that has crossed my mind.)

          In any case, would you be interested to contribute to this chapter with your Rashamon? If yes, please write me an email (address above), so we can discuss more specific. Now I am holding my breath…

      • KB723 says:

        choicelady, I find your comments astounding. BRAVO!!!

    • Truth says:

      biznesschick, as I’ve stated in the comment right below, I have no idea what drives her. I think sometimes she simply lacks awareness that there are other living beings in the world besides her.

  10. mairs says:

    I remember her from California when her husband spent what at the time was a record-breaking amount of money in his Senate race. She was a tireless supporter of her husband’s campaign, Gingrich’s contract on America, and the Religious Right. I saw it as opportunism when they were divorced and she seemingly took up for the other side. How does one, as a very intelligent adult with a seemingly sophisticated and fully developed world view, flip like that. I couldn’t get a grasp of what mattered to HER. Was she simply doing everything she could to maker her husband a success, including becoming a Republican’s Republican, regardless of her personal views? What.

    You can observe seemingly inexplicable human behavior which starts to makes sense as you gather the puzzle pieces together.

    • Artist50 says:

      I am Ariana’s age and I don’t believe you just “flip” like that in your forties. By that age you have certain core values that aren’t going to change -- oh you may change your mind about a particular issue but you either believe the government has a role in helping society or you don’t. That core value of helping poor people or supporting higher education for everyone and putting people before corporations is not something you change your mind about. I think AH blows with the wind.

    • Truth says:

      mairs, thank you for your wise words. I just read about California and how her husband’s campaign manager had called her ruthless and vicious. And she was even for the Religious Right? She is indeed a very strange being that I don’t understand at all. But as you say, it starts to make sense as I gather the puzzle pieces together. I do want to know what drives her to bash the President publicly every single day.

  11. Truth says:

    [img]http://planetpov.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/AH-evil.tiff[/img]

    Denounced as a “right-wing Lady Macbeth” and excoriated for her “viciousness,” Arianna was savaged even by her husband’s campaign manager, who described her in his memoirs as “beautiful” but “evil.” The phrase would become a national joke, picked up in the 1990s by her friends Bill Maher and Al Franken, who would introduce her on their shows as “the beautiful but evil Arianna Huffington.”
    http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2005/12/huffington200512?

    —I don’t know -- to me this is again similar to Palin -- no beauty, exactly because of the evilness.

  12. Truth says:

    SILLY ME!!! How could I forget!

    [img]http://planetpov.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/Right-is-Wrong-AH.tiff[/img]

  13. Truth says:

    Update: We gathered already some interesting information. Unfortunately most of the people who said would join are currently not around -- I hope they’ll be back soon!!

    Now a request: Does anyone have more good background info on AH? The problem with the media whores is that there are too many interviews around. I’m not keen to read more than necessary, and I have the articles of gawker plus some links from Cher further down.
    Yet I need some more thorough background infos. There is not only Wiki for this, isn’t it?

    Help very much appreciated.

  14. Abbyrose86 says:

    Okie dokie, reading the above somehow reminded me of reading “wicked” is there a correlation?

    SO Arianna is actually Glenda! Makes sense!

    I’m really seeing the parallels…of course please understand…(DISCLAIMER) I’m the only person in my group of friends who HAS NOT SEEN THE PLAY even though I WAS the FIRST ONE TO READ THE BOOK YEARS AGO, WHEN IT FIRST CAME OUT and WAS THE ONE TO suggest EVERYONE else read it…and SINCE tickets for the play have JUST gone on sale last WEEK, and WHEN I SAW the prices I got ill…MY MIND is on the play!

    Ok…back to the subject at hand….This is really a good topic and quite honestly does parallel the story of “Wicked” and the idea that there are those who we think are our friends, but really aren’t and they use us for their own gain…not to mention the political issues brought up in the story as well.

    Arianna= Glenda.

    Fictional stories have such a great way of helping us see the truth in real life, don’t they?

    Glenda in “Wicked” was ALL about enriching herself even if it meant throwing others under the bus, even her ‘friend’ or those who helped her get where she was…(I’m not talking about the play here, but the book! ).

    And Arianna is the EXACT same way…she has no scruples .not really…her only concern is ARIANNA. SHE”S actually not that opaque about HER real agenda…actions speak louder than words!

    • Truth says:

      Abby, can you give me the details about this book/film? Should be pretty interesting to have a look at that.
      And yes, Arianna’s self-centeredness and selfishness are pretty obvious, still I would like to know to which extent they go. Did she intentionally split the left? Look at the headlines Cher posted and at escribacat’s “Rashamon” series. These are quite a bit telling!

      • Abbyrose86 says:

        OOPSY…I went off on the book without relating it back to our ‘friend’.

        Anyway the story of Wicked, deals with Elphaba’s (the Wicked Witch) perspective of events. In Wicked, Elphaba, is discriminated against because she is ‘different’ and looks different…as such she is painted as being ‘wicked’.

        Although she isn’t really wicked, she’s liberal and not conventionally attractive. Glenda, on the other hand, ‘the good witch of the North’ is conventionally beautiful, VERY conservative and knows how to play people (think Sarah Palin) and her ability to be coy and manipulative as well as show case her beauty provides her with the ability to get what SHE wants.

        As to the Wizard, he got where HE was through propaganda and using his power to increase his influence (think Ronald Reagan) and although he REALLY wasn’t as good as everyone thought, he knew HOW to manipulate people to THINK he was…in the story, he’s really Elphaba’s father and she doesn’t know it…he throws HER under the bus to further his own gain and so does Glenda..she (Elphaba) is a former school mate of Glenda’s does everything in her power to throw Elphaba under the bus.

        Elphaba, although not traditionally attractive (she’s NOT WHITE, SHE’s GREEN, is all about social justice and helping the underdog…yet Glenda and the Wizard don’t want to disturb the status quo because the status quo suits them quite nicely.

        Rings a bell doesn’t it?

        • Truth says:

          Yes, Abby, quite similar to the dramas we saw unfolding around Palin and Huffington. And those are even for free….. well, at the cost of decent politics though. So I may prefer paying to see such stuff in a play….

          • Abbyrose86 says:

            Truth…I truly wish it was just a play, rather than an allegory of our current situation! (sigh)

            • Truth says:

              Abby, from a spiritual point of view it is. According to Hindu belief everything is just a divine play. Who knows?

      • Abbyrose86 says:

        Oh my gosh yes!

        the book, “Wicked…The life and times of the Wicked Witch of the West” written by Gregory Maguire was published in 1995. It tells the story of the Wicked Witch of the West as told from HER perspective.

        It was well done. REALLY well done, and truly helps provide another perspective on life and stories that we have come to know and love. Truly after reading the book, you never look at the ‘Wizard of Oz’ in the same way!

        In October 2003 the book made it’s debut as a Broadway play…and broke records. It was the hottest ticket on Broadway for years. I’m not sure what year it went on the road, but for some reason, I’m thinking 2007 or 2008.

        Locally, it is coming at the end of May early April…everytime I go to New York City…Something ALWAYS gets in the way of me seeing the play…so I was hoping to see the traveling show…and then I saw the ticket prices~! NOSE bleed seats are $120…GOOD seats START at $250 a ticket!! I was not amused! I will probably suck it up…because I really want to see it, and missed it the last time it was in my town…but seriously $250 a ticket??????/


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