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AdLib On January - 28 - 2011
  • bito : Now back to the Planet twitter

  • bito : Goodness, you guys can keep me busy. :lol:

  • SueInCa : Bito see my note on the financial inquiry report

  • SueInCa : Bito

  • SueInCa : Bito

  • SueInCa : Bito

  • SueInCa : i WOULD AGREE TOTALLY.

  • Chernynkaya : C’Lady, AdLib, Jenuwine and the little one ROCK! We all agree that the people on Planet POV are quite simply the best. I mean, we really ARE.

  • SueInCa : I know I guess they did nt have enough from NorCal to warrant buses. I wanted to meet you and Adlib too. I talked to CL last night and it sounded very successful

  • Chernynkaya : Cool Sue! Wished you were there, but it’s a long trip for you. (I just wanted to meet you face to face is all.) I hope MAddow has something about it on tonight.

  • SueInCa : Hey Cher You all made MSNBC this morning. They had some guy trying to make light of exactly what theKoch brothers do and coparing them to Soros.

  • Questinia : Ditto re the attic. Except my art supplies are all over the place… an analogue to the sock drawer.

  • Chernynkaya : I understand about that–if the sock drawer’s a mess, we can at least impose some order on the page. And at least my art supplies are kept anally neat. But that’s all–just the art supplies. I used to be extremely tight on my art, but I’ve been decompensating in my art–the reverse of the sock drawer syndrome. To keep up the illusion of everyday sanity, my art is now like Dorian Grey in the attic.

  • Questinia : Since I’m loose as a person, I tend to be tight when I draw.

  • Chernynkaya : :lol: WHY oh why can they not see our brilliance?? And Oh, Boy! I can’t wait! Thanks for going first.

  • Questinia : I’ll upload an owl too.

  • Questinia : Envy, jealousy. Ugh! they should merely idolize and be done with it.

  • Questinia : You’re too kind, but thank-you! Surely, I will share some things. I’ll upload a simple one of my pond and barn in winter.

  • Chernynkaya : :-) You are probably right! Seriously–my ex really was jealous. I want to tell you this– your posts challenge me, and you have a UNIQUE perspective and wit. Also, you post about topics I can’t find elsewhere–the photos of the dead being one example. Because of that, I posted the bullfight story. Will you show us your paintings? I will show you mine if you go first!

  • Questinia : I don’t get what’s up with that. My husband is very picky. He’s also extremely literary. His comments of my stuff are like… silence. LOL! He likes my paintings, songs though. I personally think he’s jealous. They’re jealous Cher!!

  • Chernynkaya : In retrospect, I guess that’s OK. No one can meet all our needs and I can compartmentalize . It’s just that writing here represents a sizable portion of my time. Once in a while, I wish they’d at least be curious. C’est la vie, right? The main thing is, I get to write here and can get the encouragement!

  • Questinia : Actually one A BFF.

  • Questinia : Well, Cher. if it makes you feel any better, none of my non-virtuals read mine either. Including the aforementioned!

  • Chernynkaya : I just want to add: NO One in my family or among my non-virtual friends even reads my posts. You guys mean a lot to me.

  • Chernynkaya : Hi Q! Thanks for passing that on!

  • Questinia : My husband loved your $ posts.

  • Questinia : Hi Cher!

  • Kalima : Bye Sue, sorry about your problem, bummer. Let your puter cool down.

  • bito : Yes, Sue, they looked like they were ready to beat heads. More pics just posted «link»

  • SueInCa : Exactly. I am going to shut down, I am having speed problems. I had Al Jazeera on all afternoon.

  • Kalima : You can’t argue with a peaceful crowd.

  • Kalima : Maybe why the arrests happened.

  • SueInCa : I am having delay problems today, not sure what is wrong. I got that Kalima. They would be better off not coming off with tht defiance stance, it invites problems

  • Kalima : & candies.

  • Kalima : Should have handed out flowers Sue.

  • SueInCa : Hey Bito those po po’s looked more nasty than the egyptian ones this week

  • Kalima : Thought so, just look at his flaring nostrils and [email protected] up brain cells.

  • bito : bath salts, :lol:

  • Kalima : Snorting what bs or bath salts?

  • bito : @shannynmoore I heard Glenn Beck was in the bathroom snorting #Koch before his speech.

  • Kalima : Hey, just talking about you. Glad you are all ok.

  • SueInCa : no prob, i was guessing from my cell i have her office but her cell was not on it.

  • bito : You’re not drinking Koch?

  • Kalima : That’s great news Sue, and thank you.

  • SueInCa : Hey I just tried to call CL. Good they are fine

  • AdLib : Hey, I’m just fine, drinking margaritas with Choicelady and Cher! Protesting never tasted so good!

  • bito : They should have taken up for a bail fund before the rally

  • bito : 25 people arrested today at Quarantine the Kochs. PLEASE donate to help bail them out of jail. «link» #koch…

  • bito : Thanks Sue.

  • Kalima : Thanks Sue.

  • SueInCa : I am looking I can’t find her cell phone. I will advise if I find

  • Kalima : Isn’t that just typical bito, the “me” first mentality?

  • Kalima : That’s a great idea Sue, please keep us informed if you learn anything.

  • bito : @shannynmoore: Weird how corporate news is worried about fuel prices due to #Egypt, but not what the #Koch Bros do to prices

  • Kalima : I would have to hibernate, don’t know what’s under the hood.

  • SueInCa : I am going to call CL on her cell, I hope shehas it with her

  • bito : Then I have 3 badges from picket lines.

  • Kalima : bito, yes good job you didn’t. Too far to bail you out. :lol:

  • SueInCa : That arrest is a badge of honor

  • bito : He better not get arrested, Kalima. We would be lost :-)

  • bito : :lol:

  • bito : They are saying 24 arrests. Good thing I didn’t go!

  • Kalima : Hi Sue, I’ve not been here very long, but have heard of arrests. Crazy!

  • SueInCa : Hey guys any word on the protesters?

  • Kalima : It’s after 4, where is AdLib, I hope he wasn’t arrested. ;-)

  • Kalima : It’s a peaceful demo for [email protected]’s sake. Their bosses have been payed off well.

  • bito : The cops looked like they were expecting trouble

  • Kalima : They should be arresting the Koch brothers and everyone connected with them, including your SC justices.

  • Kalima : To arrest people attending a pro- democracy rally in America is unbelievable to me.

  • bito : They got arrested at the rally after the conference, Kalima

  • Kalima : The video is off the air, why would they arrest the protestors, that’s madness.

  • bito : Baliantaksu Raul Ramirez, Ph.D. Police warning that they will arrest people in the #Koch event driveway.

  • bito : benintn benintn Joe Francis: “We have had enough of your pollution in our lives and we will not allow your continuing pollution in our politics.” #koch

  • bito : More pics«link» ic.com/3uz3m5

  • bito : Photos from common Cause «link»

  • bito : mike_california mike harrington rally is starting off as a face off with protesters taking the street and suits peeking out from the resort.

  • bito : Corps are People Too by Dr. Suits «link»

  • bito : CommonCause CommonCause Action item: be a better #activist by winning an iPad we’re giving away. «link» #UncloakKoch

  • boomer1949 : Corporations are not People? For sure! C’mon bito…

  • bito : CommonCause CommonCause Still have questions for our panel? Tweet using hastag #qKoch and we will get answers in the coming days. Our promise! #UncloakKoch

  • bito : CommonCause CommonCause RT @climatebrad: Question from youth in the audience: Why don’t the #Koch brothers focus energy/$ on positive issues? #uncloakkoch

  • bito : Patsy, I will put that up as soon as I get the chance. Looks good

  • bito : Corp are not people – SCOTUS ruling bothering you? «link»

  • boomer1949 : bito…yep, i have a question. how can i…a single woman, earning less than $40k/year begin to believe i have a voice and a chance at defeating the Kochs or any other billionare in this country?

  • PatsyT : Bito they mentioned this org… «link»

  • bito : Have a question? I will twitter it to the conference

  • boomer1949 : Except — the other side has billions and billions of oil-dripping dollars under the table. Eric Cantor is there — go figure?

  • boomer1949 : AL…where the heck are you?

  • bito : That sounds like a C’L question

  • bito : #commoncause #uncloakkoch To boycott #Koch products, Stainmaster carpets, Dixie cups, Brawny paper towels, Lycra.

  • boomer1949 : Drive safe kes. Later.

  • boomer1949 : Cher–whatever. 32 degrees here. No fair.

  • boomer1949 : kes..was accepted to Mt. Carme College of Nursing at the age of 50-something. I was ecstatic! Thrilled, thrilled!!! Stress? If I thought I were contributing to the well-being of another, I doubt it would be an overabundance of stress.

  • bito : Later k’es. Hope all is well with D.O.D

  • bito : Erwin Chemerinsky: How many people in america have ever heard of the #Koch brothers?/ Wait, so we should #UncloakKoch?

  • kesmarn : Bummer…friends I have to drive out to my father’s place now to check on him. He’s 88. Hope to catch up later!

  • kesmarn : I have to admit, boomer, it is a difficult field to be in in 2010. Stress level is high.

  • boomer1949 : Seriously kes, I’m neither and was accepted to nursing school a couple of years ago, but questioned whether I wanted to owe a gazzilion $$$ in student loans until the day I die. Trust me, I’ve wanted to be a nurse since the age of 15 — short story is boring — long story needs lunch.

  • bito : First of a tour??

  • bito : DeAnn McEwen, CA Nurses Assoc: the most valuable resource on the planet is the health of its people. #Koch #UncloakKoch

  • boomer1949 : Cher, Patsy, AL and anyone else…please let the rest of us know you are there?

  • kesmarn : People always told me I was a twit.

  • bito : yes, and some are getting retweeted with a @kesmarn on them

  • kesmarn : :lol: Seriously, b’ito?

  • bito : Keep writing tweets k’es im putting them up.:-)

  • boomer1949 : oh dear kes, i’ll be 62 in october. not sure i qualify.

  • kesmarn : boomer, one of the women in our program was 58 when she started. It’s not too late!

  • boomer1949 : Go RNs., I am a wanta’ be. Heaven knows I wish I’d had the balls — or vaginas!

  • kesmarn : The Koch brothers have their fingerprints on the pillows that smother the patients. Wow. That’s tellin’ ’em.

  • boomer1949 : So ICU chick…what have you to say?

  • boomer1949 : I really need to spend more time on Vox Fridays, maybe then I won’t be so techno-illiterat e?

  • kesmarn : Hey you…listen up to what this ICU nurse is gonna tell you!

  • bito : RN!!!!!

  • bito : He yelled out “hey AB?” ;-)

  • kesmarn : Audience member yelled out: “We need Egypt here!” And HI! to AB!

  • AlphaBitch : Just dropping by. LOVE THIS! Thanks AdLib. Wow, what a blessing.

  • kesmarn : “We will not live on an economic plantation in this country, run by the Koch brothers.’

  • bito : Van Jones: “Hope is a renewable resource… it won’t be extinguished by the #Koch brothers or anybody else.” #uncloakkoch

  • bito : Not This time!

  • boomer1949 : kes, no they just think they are right…no pun inteneded.

  • kesmarn : Do Progressives have low self esteem?

  • boomer1949 : Welcome guests! Speak up…

  • kesmarn : Talk about a decent man who has been unfairly attacked by the right…

  • bito : VAN JONES!

  • bito : They are having Mic problems there

  • boomer1949 : Okay, I am both places at once. TG!

  • kesmarn : Also– I do lose the audio for a while every now and then, too. But it comes back, then.

  • bito : Chemerinsky: Justice Thomas spoke @ #Koch events. Is his wife receiving $ from Liberty Central fm Kochs? Disclose!

  • kesmarn : boomer, there’s a volume control on the lower right there. Do you have that one up as well as your computer’s?

  • bito : keep your page on the conference and comment in the Vox side bar, boomer

  • boomer1949 : okay, am I a techno fart or what…being here is great….but I can’t hear. bito boss, what am i doing incorrectly?

  • kesmarn : Must be nice to be so rich you can own a couple of supreme court justices with $$ to spare.

  • boomer1949 : ‘kay, here I be.

  • boomer1949 : “over there” — got it. “Over there” won’t put this on the main. Hell, “she” is probably there — Common Cause ecluded.

  • kesmarn : It seems to work better over here at Vox.

  • kesmarn : boomer, as I was whining about “over there,” (not HP, but to our left), I got a reprieve at the last second. On-call!

  • boomer1949 : duh, but bito just told me to go to Vox. I can hear, but comment here at the same time. Where should I be?

  • kesmarn : Oh, there you are!

  • boomer1949 : Okey dokey…

  • bito : Better to comment in Vox, don’t lose the conference

  • boomer1949 : kes, do you have to work today or did you just run to the potty?

  • boomer1949 : hey kes! Yo from C’bus!

  • boomer1949 : hey bito! EST here.

  • boomer1949 : …money under the table talks…whatever .

  • boomer1949 : I am not one who needs to be convinced, but if all of this helps “on-the-fencers ” then…thank goodness.

  • bito : Lee Fong. He is good. Has done some good articles.

  • bito : Crowd at @commoncause boos, hisses whenever scalia and Thomas mentioned – love it. #Koch

  • boomer1949 : bito & Cher…you there?

  • boomer1949 : The Kochs have a deep, deep history and affiliation with the John Birch Society. Google it…

  • boomer1949 : Welcome Guests, please say hey and come up for air. We welcome you, for sure.

  • boomer1949 : boomer is here

  • AdLib : Night pal! See you here tomorrow, live blogging from PS!

  • bito : Ok, AdLib, I just got that in a tweet and wondered if that was what you mentioned last night, Should have known–The Lib Abides!! Night. (P.S. Twitter #koch has been busy today-cool)

  • AdLib : If the three baggers do show, the area they would have to use for their protest wouldn’t even be in view of ours. So much for their BS.

  • AdLib : Bito., yes, this is the local bagger group that only got 3 replies to their call to action. When they realized how impotent they were, they then played “sour grapes, putting out an announcement that they had decided not to show up because the “angry progressives” intend to provoke them into violence. So damn lame, they have the mentality of catty high school cheerleaders.

  • bito : Seems the Palm Springs Tea people may show

  • bito : Angry Progressives Coming to Rancho Mirage on Jan 30th to Protest Tea Party and Koch Brothers. Push Back! «link»

  • AdLib : Bye Kalima and Night Kes! We shall Coldcock The Kochs indeed!

  • kesmarn : Whoa! Pork Shabu-Shabu! Will you post the recipe one of these days? Sorry…I got distracted there, hence the long delay in noticing your much-better-than -Spam lunch plans! :oops: G’night AdLib! Choke the Kochs tomorrow. “G’night, Kalima!

  • Kalima : Ok, a hungry hubby’s back. Take care and see you later. I’m off.

  • Kalima : Teamwork at it’s best.

  • Kalima : “how seriously you take that…… sorry, getting so dark outside, could bring snow.

  • AdLib : We all touch different bases around here, complimenting each other.

  • Kalima : Yes, I do know how seriously you that it AdLib. What would we do without you, I’m useless in the techy department, you know that too.

  • AdLib : It’s always when doing something that’s supposed to make things work better…problem s pop up.

  • Kalima : He will be delighted that he is no longer playing Peek-a-Boo. ;-)

  • AdLib : I take any problem at The Planet as something to solve, you know me!

  • AdLib : And at least now, Bito’s Gravatar is showing up now. Tweaked a little item.

  • Kalima : Not your fault, and it’s working now. :)

  • AdLib : Sorry about that, Kalima!

  • Kalima : Check AdLib’s post on the SOTU speech to see what happened to my efforts to comment here on Chat that day. :)

  • Kalima : P.S.

  • Kalima : My comment flew off before I could wish you a good night. Good night kes, take care.

  • Kalima : :lol: Not on your nellie kes. It’s pork “Shabu-Shabu today for us. :)

  • kesmarn : Does the Sunday lunch menu include any Spam, Kalima?

  • Kalima : Good night to you who are still here. Have a great evening. Off to prepare some Sunday lunch or lurch or launch. :)

  • Kalima : YAY!! No more SPAM insults!!! :lol:

  • Kalima : Take no notice, I just needed to test something. :)

  • AdLib : DO not mess with de Jesus.

  • bito : I have to roll just one more frame.

  • AdLib : Time to wrap Vox Populi then. Bito and Khirad, thanks so much for an amazing and sometimes surreal Vox Populi. Sleep well and I’ll catch ya over the weekend! Night bito, get some solid rest. The Lib Abides…

  • bito : Night, Dude.

  • bito : Night Cher, thanks for a great night

  • AdLib : Smae here Cher, Sleep well and I’ll email you tomorrow! Looking forward to seeing you! Wish the rest of the Planet folks could be there too! Night!

  • Chernynkaya : OK, I’m spent. Even though mention of The Dude enlivens me, I must turn in. This was big fun!

  • AdLib : The Lib abides.

  • bito : Those guys can, AdLib.:lol:

  • AdLib : “I’m gonna fuck you up, man!”

  • AdLib : The Nihilists from The Big Lebowski?

  • bito : I hope the nihilists don’t show

  • AdLib : Poison ivy is officially permitted. As are wedgies. But no Super Wedgies under any circumstances.

  • Chernynkaya : Does Poison Ivy count?

  • AdLib : No melee…but martinis!

  • bito : Bring some flowers to counter if any do show.

  • Chernynkaya : Thanks, bito and AL– OK–no melee. :-(

  • AdLib : Cher – Love it!

  • AdLib : BTW, the local Baggers, to hide the fact that only 3 of them would show up, have announced that they won’t counter-protest because they have learned that we intend to incite violence. So, if any do show up, we want to show them only kindness and politeness…tre ating them like the “special” people they are.

  • bito : Good! Cher

  • Chernynkaya : Foch the Kochs

  • Chernynkaya : I like choke.

  • Chernynkaya : Too harsh?: Croak, Kocks.

  • bito : Better

  • AdLib : Revoke the Kochs?

  • AdLib : Heh, I was thinking the same thing and I hate to get beat up by hookers on cable news shows.

  • bito : Okey-doke, provoke the Kochs

  • Chernynkaya : That’s an insult to Ho’s.

  • AdLib : Koch Whores?

  • Chernynkaya : I love that AL!

  • AdLib : Things go worse with Kochs?

  • AdLib : Tough, isn’t it?

  • bito : It means cooking from German to english

  • AdLib : It’s harder than it should be to come up with plays on Koch.

  • Chernynkaya : Coke ,awoke, bespoke, bloke, broke, choke, cloak, Coke, convoke, croak, evoke, folk, invoke, joke, Koch, moke, oak, okey-doke, poke, provoke, revoke, roque, smoke, soak, soke, spoke, stoke, stony-broke (US stone-broke), stroke, toke, toque, woke, yoke, yolk,Holyoake , artichoke , gentlefolk,menfo lk , kinsfolk , womenfolk,townsf olk , fisherfolk , holmoak,woodsmok e , cowpoke , slowpoke,backstr oke , breaststroke , keystroke,heatst roke , sidestroke , downstroke,sunst roke , upstroke , masterstroke,cou nterstroke , equivoque,betook , book, brook, Brooke …

  • Chernynkaya : So I need to think of something that rhymes with coke.

  • AdLib : I should have said, “Aren’t we protesting Cokes?”

  • Chernynkaya : Not gonna touch that one! ;-)

  • AdLib : Bito – I think Kes is mistaken. Everyone I’ve ever spoken with pronounces it “Coke”.

  • AdLib : We’ve pronounced it “Coke”. SO in a call today, when it was mentioned how local restaurants are staffing up and excited to have us come, one pizza place is even offering a combo of pizza, salad and Coke, I said, “You sure we want “Kochs?”

  • Chernynkaya : I had no idea they even knew about it. I wish they’d show up. I’d like a melee.

  • bito : K’es said they pronounce it as COCK

  • AdLib : The local Tea Baggers couldn’t even dredge up a counter protest. They posted an article about it on their site…only 3 responses in 2 weeks in response to “Push Back!”.

  • Chernynkaya : That’s good, AL. DO they pronounce it COKE. or COCK?

  • Chernynkaya : I have to get a stick and cardboard.

  • AdLib : I had an early suggestion that the protest be called the Koch Blockers.

  • bito : The news will pick that one up!

  • AdLib : CHer – Heh! That’s hilarious and I guarantee you, in Palm Springs, a lot of residents will get it!

  • Chernynkaya : I just may, bito.

  • bito : Do It, Cher

  • Chernynkaya : I thought of an obscure sign that only Yiddish speakers will understand: “Koch im un.” It means shit on them.

  • AdLib : Chinese rum. Yum.

  • bito : Ole Southern(china) sipping whisky

  • AdLib : Cher – Signs are being made. I haven’t made any yet but I will confirm info, I’m not sure what the status is on them. I am going to make up some sign up sheets for GROW and hopefully some fliers.

  • bito : Jack Danials–Now made in the hills of China

  • Chernynkaya : Yikes–chinese vodka with, what, some deathly chemical?

  • AdLib : Cher – When vodka starts getting outsourced to China, that’s when we’ve got something to worry about.

  • Chernynkaya : AL– will ther be signs SUnday? Are you amking any?

  • AdLib : Night Kes, thanks so much for making it such a thoughtful and fun night! Sleep well.

  • Chernynkaya : As long as they keep my vodka pure, I’m good.

  • AdLib : Bito :lol: . That should be the new promotion, “Each Taco Bell Kids meal now comes with a free Mud Pie!”

  • bito : Night, dear nurse, rest well

  • Chernynkaya : Sleep well, kes!

  • bito : Maybe they can start selling Mud pies, with real mud

  • Chernynkaya : Yep, bito, but sand? It takes the expression “Eat sand!” to a new level.

  • kesmarn : Well, once again the witching or papist hour strikes here in Ohio. I’m already planning a nice bowl of oatmeal, sand, and salsa for breakfast. So I’d better close up shop here and get the Pepcid chaser ready for the morning coffee. Good night, dear friends.

  • bito : Hey, oats and barley can sustain life(witha little fermented yak milk) ;-)

  • Chernynkaya : AL that makes “Don;t play with your food” kinda irrelevant.;-)

  • AdLib : Instead of a toy in the Happy Meals, they just provide the filler and sand and kids can make their own play tacos!

  • Chernynkaya : Egypt is still on my bucket list, b ut perhaps it should be the last item.

  • Chernynkaya : Oh, we’re GOOD.

  • Chernynkaya : Ouch! :roll: \

  • bito : From the State Dept if you need this: U.S. citizens can call 1-888-407-4747 to obtain updated information on #travel and security in #Egypt. «link»

  • AdLib : Cher – :lol:

  • Chernynkaya : Oooh. That’s a tough sell, AL. How about chimyhaggis?

  • AdLib : And a frosty Milicashake.

  • kesmarn : Cher, in a nice plaid wrapper.

  • kesmarn : With silicasalsa.

  • AdLib : Taco Bell presents its new, Quesilicadillia!

  • Chernynkaya : HAHAH! Haggis Grande.

  • kesmarn : I guess those Taco Bell tacos had some oat product in them, too. Maybe they were going for a McTaco Haggus kinda thing.

  • Chernynkaya : AL– HAHA!

  • Chernynkaya : No, SILICA! Salt n’silica at TAco bell. Full circle!

  • AdLib : I shot a deer hunter in my pajamas.

  • AdLib : And add a cup of sand then simmer.

  • Chernynkaya : Maybe he just seasoned them. With pepper.

  • Chernynkaya : Oh, nvermind– it was a bad joke on TV. :oops:

  • Khirad : Dayyum! Or was it Bambi’s revenge?

  • bito : Every year, Cher

  • kesmarn : Cheney’s not supposed to hunt without a pulse.

  • Chernynkaya : BTW– a guy in Wisc. just shot 5 deer hunters!

  • AdLib : “WITCH!” And I know who could be the first cover girl…

  • Chernynkaya : :lol:

  • bito : You called?

  • kesmarn : Or “PAGAN!”

  • Chernynkaya : TherE should be a non-denomination al mag called “BLASPHEMER!”

  • AdLib : BTW, who here can bail me out if needed?

  • Khirad : I’m still working on Unitarian slurs…

  • AdLib : Khirad – Desert weather indeed.

  • Chernynkaya : PAPIST?! Awesome.

  • AdLib : Cher, that’s right, it’s probably snowing at the top of the tram!

  • Khirad : Same temp as Tucson, then.

  • kesmarn : We need a Catholic equivalent. “Papist” “The Vatican Rag” ?

  • bito : 38 at night

  • Chernynkaya : Are we taking the tram?? That would be fun.

  • AdLib : Snow shoes are optional.

  • Chernynkaya : Love that magazine, kes!

  • Chernynkaya : 71 degrees. Brrr! ;-)

  • kesmarn : Cher — “Heeb” the “Jew Review”?? :lol: You are a wild woman!

  • Chernynkaya : Sure, K.Oregano.

  • AdLib : BTW, 71 degrees high in Palm Springs on Sunday, dress warmly.

  • Khirad : That isn’t oregano, is it?

  • Khirad : Oh, I finally got the sock drawer/spice rack thing! :lol:

  • Khirad : Night CL.

  • Chernynkaya : BOO, Q

  • bito : Night Q, always good to see you.

  • AdLib : Night Q! Sleep well…and don’t roll over on your triple D’s, you’ll hav a back ache in the morning. I know.

  • kesmarn : Night,Q. Keep the home spice rack burning…

  • Chernynkaya : I’ll try again to link. «link»

  • Questinia : Luv you all!

  • Questinia : It’s nearly one here. My sock drawer awaits…

  • AdLib : Bito – You’re worth every penny you’re paid. WHich is I think all you’re paid, give or take a penny.

  • kesmarn : b’ito, you are taking multi-tasking to the extreme!

  • bito : Night My EAL pal

  • Questinia : ‘nite CL!

  • bito : I am struck! I am watching interviews at Davos on PBS and reading tweets from Egypt. 2 dollars a a day to ?????

  • Chernynkaya : Oh, sad to see you go, CL, but I understand.

  • kesmarn : Good night, c’lady. Sweet dreams.

  • AdLib : Sleep well CL, looking forward to seeing you on Sunday!

  • Questinia : Khirad, aesthetic level indeed! Extremely sexy I’d wager. I think I’d heard of that artist.

  • choicelady : WEll dear friends, my entourage (two cats) and I are slowly fading. I’ve been up since before dawn having driven into Oakland YET AGAIN, so I’m heading for slumber. This has been an historic day. I will be sending positive energies toward Egypt and all those brave souls. Thanks to all for such enlightening talk. Sweet dreams all!

  • AdLib : Cher, you are on!

  • AdLib : Disappointed KB couldn’t join the convo, definitely need to get that figured out by next week!

  • Chernynkaya : AL– H/T to Q, of course!

  • kesmarn : “Twilight Zion”…I like that Cher! :lol:

  • Chernynkaya : I am sure KB thinks he’s stepped into the Twilight Zion.

  • AdLib : Cher :-) “Silly String Theory!

  • Khirad : Q, there was a graffiti artist that was doing that in France I think – with hijab and bare breasts. It ran to the orientalist type of offensiveness in a way, and in another, is kinda provocative in its own right taken away from any socio-political context – on just an aesthetic level.

  • Chernynkaya : Yep, AL and it all makes sense, in a silly string theory kind of way.

  • kesmarn : Have we totally frightened KB away with this?

  • AdLib : Q – You have frozen the moment. Crosstalk of the uprising in Egypt and jokes about breast implants and S&M news anchors. Where else but on The Planet?

  • Chernynkaya : I love those masks.

  • choicelady : AdLib – no, the Churchlady is a very modest sort. I’ll have my people call your people to sort out needs…

  • kesmarn : Cher, that re-defines “hijab”! :lol:

  • Khirad : Something about the way a hijab frames the face. I do miss hair though, and like the way the Northern Tehrani girls do it – who wouldn’t wear one if they had a choice – but it makes them somehow hotter! I can’t explain it!

  • AdLib : Khirad – Though, at what point do the military and police see the writing on the wall and decide not to keep killing families of people they know?

  • bito : :lol:

  • Questinia : I like the admixture of breasts and the Mideast. reminds me of the pasties thread from some time back…

  • Chernynkaya : I just need that body too. ;-(

  • bito : Worked Cher.

  • choicelady : Khirad – I know! Every single Muslim woman I know – and it’s a lot – who wears a hijab is absolutely gorgeous!

  • AdLib : Cher – You HAVE to broadcast for POV News. We will totally outdo Fox now!

  • Chernynkaya : DID that work, bito? Thanks!

  • Chernynkaya : MY mask «link»

  • choicelady : AdLib – Your Triple DDDs? What’s been done may be undone. How else would all those Beverly Hills plastic surgeons survive if it’s not cleaning up other plastic surgeon’s mistakes? All will be well.

  • bito : Cher, try this one «link»

  • Khirad : The way things are going AL, a few days ago I’d say he survives, but now I’m increasingly coming to that conclusion. He is damaged. I too don’t know how he comes back from this without a Syrian response. «link»

  • AdLib : Q – We can always use more blonde newscasters for POV News!

  • Chernynkaya : AL– Agree, HM is doomed as doomed can be.

  • kesmarn : I was going to say, it’s almost a miracle that the death/injury toll isn’t higher. Maybe we’ll find out later that it was.

  • AdLib : Cl – Fantastic! Hope you don’t need your own trailer and entourage.

  • Chernynkaya : Q :shock: excellent!

  • Chernynkaya : AL– link to long for even tiny. It’s OK.

  • Khirad : No, I always expected it to get this bad. You should see some of the footage, clady. It would’ve been miraculous had there not been this many dead and injured. And, I still think it’s being low-balled.

  • Questinia : I’m blond! What can I sign up for?

  • choicelady : kes – NOW you’re talking. A ski mask! Perfect!

  • Chernynkaya : when my dad worked for some Suadi princes, he brought me some hajibs and I still wear them.

  • choicelady : AdLib – you’re on. Always wanted to be a blonde. I’m not, BTW.

  • AdLib : Khirad – I still don’t see how Mubarak comes out of this on top. Even if he is so brutal to oppress the revolt, he will look weakened and vulnerable. I think he is doomed.

  • choicelady : Khirad and bito – has something changed???? It was not this bad earlier today. So many injured – is this sudden?

  • bito : C’lady, the twitter is full of injuries and pleas for docs.

  • Khirad : Hijab can be sexy – which kinda defeats the point. Tee-hee.

  • Questinia : I thought triple D’s were mammary batteries

  • choicelady : Khirad – I’m sort of down with the hijab – it really DOES make it easier for men and women to be equal which IS the point, but burqas – NO. That’s NOT required in sharia law – that’s national/cultura l and the product of too many male brain cells fried in the sun!

  • AdLib : Cher – your link broke. Try shrinking it with «link»

  • Chernynkaya : Please do! I make them though and they rock. I introduced the Chinese to matzo balls and now they can’t get enough

  • AdLib : CL – You’re right. I didn’t need to get these triple D’s, what the hell was I thinking?!

  • choicelady : bito – oh, damn. That’s so sad. I hope no more are injured or die. I heard others in Cairo and Alexandria. Enough already.

  • Khirad : Yup, and as I noted, the clampdown on media also made people curious come out and join protests, as well. This will not go well for him. He’s gonna have to get really nasty now to keep control – and I mean REALLY NASTY, and it could go either way. But whatever way it goes, it won’t be the same. I just hope by then that Joe Biden is able to call him a dictator.

  • kesmarn : Guess Glenn Beck will have to have his DDDs removed, then, c’lady?

  • Questinia : Don’t worry, Cher. If I get some, I’ll post another pic :)

  • AdLib : I know there is a contingent of Planeteers in AZ and OH. They may have a chance to take action together in the future too.

  • Chernynkaya : I’ll be wearing this:«link» 3.static.flickr. com/2064/1877945 835_0bfdb05fee.j pg

  • choicelady : Ques – Triple Ds are required if and only if you move to Hollywood AND try to break into films. And preferably if you’re a woman. Otherwise, not so much.

  • Questinia : Apparently, it’s as good as mom’s. I got it straight from the daughter of a mom!

  • kesmarn : It is getting tougher to get on planes with ski masks, too, Q. Good point.

  • AdLib : Cher – :lol:

  • Questinia : kes, I’m forbidden to wear a ski mask anymore by the LAPD.

  • AdLib : Khirad – This kind of bloodshed seems to pass the threshold of protecting Mubarak and instead turn more resolve against him. Greater oppression and suffering just doesn’t seem a solution to defusing the revolt of the oppressed and suffering.

  • Chernynkaya : OMG!! SIGH. Now you’re talking mom food.

  • choicelady : Qes – we west coasters have yet to meet. Sunday will be the first time. I do know SueinCA now, but that’s it. All you folks elsewhere can form your circles, too. Just remember to us it’s circles of friendship. To the RW we are “cells”. All in where you stand.

  • Khirad : And just in case we don’t forget, Tunisia’s story ain’t finished yet. These protesters are tenacious! No scraps! «link»

  • Questinia : Never, Cher. I almost went again for their kasha varnishkes in schmaltz.

  • Chernynkaya : AL. they will think you are a LA Times food critic.

  • kesmarn : Ski-mask, Q? You can tell ’em you just came from NYC blizzard country.

  • AdLib : CL – I will bring a poofy blonde wig, just wear that and the Fox News blazer I have and we’ll put the Daily Show to shame!

  • Chernynkaya : Q- is it too snowy to schlep to Katz’s?

  • Questinia : ~~~Faint~~~~~

  • choicelady : AdLib – sure! As long as I can wear a Groucho nose and glasses. My mug on a web page already got me into trouble once. Maybe I could wear a bandanna like the people in Chiapas?

  • Chernynkaya : Those casualties are serious. Death knell for Mubarak, or the revolution?

  • AdLib : Q, you make it out here and I’ll “handle” the triple D implants.

  • Khirad : They say the hospitals are overflowing, too bito.

  • Questinia : keep the snow organized is actually a very lovely thought!

  • Khirad : It’s just they’re sneaky way to impose burqas on us. CLady. Can I just say it’s a sorry state affairs when fringe characters like Spencer and Geller are news makers? I mean, alarming, really.

  • Chernynkaya : I saw that, CL, in your wonderful reply to my post about bullfights.

  • bito : Suez: 11 dead, 150 injured (20 in serious condition). Blood doners are called upon to help deal with situation #egypt #jan25

  • kesmarn : Also silly movie recommendation: Belgian claymation called “Panique au Village.” Whimsically funny. For adults and kids, and kids can learn a lot of French, including the words for “bastard” and “shit”!

  • Questinia : Yeah but as you know, I’ll need triple D implants if I’m to move to LA, I hear it’s a prerequisite.

  • Chernynkaya : Hadley farms had the MOST cloying date shakes. EW.

  • choicelady : Yes – all that knowledge – SAVED BY THE MUSLIMS!!! And what the hell is wrong with Halal? It means the animal died quickly and cleanly. I try to get halal food when I can. Tastes great, too!

  • Chernynkaya : Q– keep the snow organized.

  • Khirad : Some good date farms around there, though. Get yer date milkshakes and all that.

  • Questinia : I’m snowed in, c-lady. With snow and socks :(

  • Chernynkaya : Khirad, you will love it!

  • AdLib : There’s always room on the west coast for one or two more, Q.

  • Khirad : Agora sounds cool!

  • Chernynkaya : Cool, AL.

  • Questinia : Well aren’t all you west coasters all chummy!

  • Khirad : Barf at the Salton Sea.

  • Chernynkaya : CL and EVERYONE! MUst recommend a great sleeper movie on DVD: Agora. About the fall of Alexandria and geometry. Beautiful AND so informative!

  • AdLib : Q – Or maybe Margaritas with Salton the rim?

  • choicelady : Cher and Patsy – you’re coming Sunday!!!!!! This is more than GREAT! How very cool to be able to meet! Ques – you, too???

  • AdLib : Cher, will email you so we can all meet up there on Sunday.

  • kesmarn : Cher, :lol: Likewise! Now there’s a man I love to hate, along with Lloyd Blankfein and Hank Paulson.

  • Questinia : The Salton Sea has it’s charms.

  • choicelady : Cher – that’s why the fall of Constantinople in 1453 (no – I did NOT have that memorized. Looked it up) was so huge. That was THE repository of knowledge salvaged over the centuries and sequestered for the future. Greek, Egyptian, Roman etc. writings and information then spread once again through Europe setting off the Renaissance.

  • AdLib : Then we can all hang out at Q’s suite for a Planet Cosmo party!

  • Khirad : Those go together. Egypt’s stock market it precarious right now. On another note, Iran is vwery hwurt at being univwited to Dwavos.

  • bito : I’ll have the funny hat on

  • Chernynkaya : Jaime Diamon can EAT MY UMBRAGE!

  • AdLib : CL, will you be the POV Reporter and I’ll be the cameraman?

  • Questinia : Koch Bros. biz fair from 2010 «link»

  • kesmarn : Danke Schoen!

  • Chernynkaya : BTW– passed it along to the kid at the Brewery, and he passed it on.

  • AdLib : Cher – Gotcha! And Kes, consider the gin and tonic shipment done!

  • kesmarn : I hear that Jamie Dimon of JP Morgan took umbrage at Davos when it was suggested that people hate the banks after the crash, b’ito.

  • Khirad : I think, bito, when we take ourselves out of the conversation, that people no longer have the US as a foil and look internally. This has been my argument with keeping distance from getting actively involved in Iran. Of course, there is a line where one can support free assembly and such, but I’m not convinced public shame achieves much good. That can be argued depending on context and circumstance, but in this situation, it is the more conducive one.

  • Chernynkaya : Thanks AL.

  • AdLib : Cher – Here’s the link for reference: «link»

  • bito : On the topic of sunday a tweet to think about: For a snapshot of the world we live in run a search for #egypt and then one for #davos, and compare the streams.

  • Chernynkaya : Thanks, AL! And one for the Chinaman too!

  • choicelady : Everbody – while AdLib is live blogging, I will be waving at all of you from the side. So everyone hold their positions from tonight so I can tell who you are…

  • AdLib : Well, at least I know in advance to buy you a martini, Cher!

  • Chernynkaya : No, I didn’t confirm. I should. I didn;t realize it was for people not using the bus.

  • Questinia : Joke? I never joke!

  • kesmarn : AdLib, if you could FedEx a gin and tonic to Ohio, that’d be great.

  • Chernynkaya : Q– joke, right?

  • Khirad : How about the THREE burnings of Alexandria? –you know I had to bring it back! And yes, bito – saved by those Muslims. Let’s not have any of that creeping halal now, though, okay?

  • AdLib : Cher – WOO HOO! Did you use the link on the post to confirm? And of course, select Grassroots Over Washington as your referral?

  • Questinia : I booked an entire suite at the Salton Sea Inn.

  • choicelady : Khirad – I’m confused about your last comment after Wiki – do you think Obama’s lack of “name and shame” is working or Bush’s use of it was?

  • Chernynkaya : AL– we’re driving tho.

  • kesmarn : c’lady…yes, sometimes you just have to put the brakes on them. With this one, laughing at her seems to work. Although if I lived in her house, I’m sure she would kill me.

  • Chernynkaya : AL– I just posted that we are gonna be there. :-)

  • AdLib : Well, I will be buying CL and possibly Patsy a drink in Palm Springs if she can make it. Any other takers?

  • Questinia : Get footage onto utube. Start a sexy anti-Koch FB page.

  • AdLib : Cher, I know you have a lot on your plate but you said you might come on on Sunday? WHat’s it looking like?

  • choicelady : kes – I have an OCD friend. The more I mess with her head, the more OCD she gets. So for me that’s counterproductiv e. However, I have mastered the art of the lifted eyebrow signaling – back off bitch.

  • bito : Saved by the Muslims

  • AdLib : CL – String theory lays out that there would have to be 10 dimensions. But one of them is a lot cheaper than the others when it comes to gas prices.

  • Chernynkaya : C’Lady– think of all the wisdom we lost after the fall of Rome/dark ages.

  • Questinia : No c-lady, we are talking neatness personified :(

  • kesmarn : Khirad, yes, when people are left to choose for themselves, they can be surprisingly capable, no?

  • choicelady : Q – heavens of course C&P!!! The question even more is – are they HIS socks,too? In which case, he has NO cause for complaint.

  • Questinia : AL-+- That’s GREAT!

  • kesmarn : AdLib, that’s fantastic.

  • Chernynkaya : About this weekend. Do yu think the press will cover it, or will Egypt take all the air? OTOH, it might make them notice protest HERE.

  • Khirad : I know the Hindus had to know about it.

  • AdLib : Kes – I will be live blogging along the way and I will post a live stream video, courtesy of Common Cause so that folks here can watch the panel and the rally live!

  • bito : That is great!

  • choicelady : ADLib – in part of Dan Brown’s book is a chapter on how the ancients KNEW about the 10 dimensions and string theory. We are re-learning that now with more depth, but not for the first time. I have science friends who would agree with Brown even though he writes fiction. He’s citing good stuff there.

  • Khirad : “Wikileaks showed that the relations with Mubarak warmed up because Obama played down the public “name and shame” approach of the Bush administration. ” Hate to say it, but that might have been more effective. Take yourself out of the conversation and see where the focus goes, I say.

  • AdLib : 10 buses of people!

  • AdLib : Bito – looks like we may hit 1,500 or more on Sunday for the turnout! That is huge when you consider the distance and logistics!

  • kesmarn : Are you guys going to post from the field when you’re in Palm Springs?

  • Questinia : Yeah, silly string.

  • Chernynkaya : CL: Hehehe!

  • Questinia : c-lady… I wish my husband could hear that. mind if I C&P?

  • Chernynkaya : BTW– so far , Hawaii seems a no-go, so we are planning on being there!

  • kesmarn : Exactly, c’lady. I moved things around just to mess with my OCD pal. It’s therapeutic.

  • AdLib : Q; You are a human String Theory.

  • choicelady : ADLib – see? You can’t leave. We degenerate.

  • choicelady : Cher – burnt toe-st? Oh GROAN!

  • bito : Any word on the turn out Sunday, AdLib?

  • Questinia : What happened Adlib? My tendency to entropize any environment I’m in!

  • choicelady : Q – I think it kinda depends whether the socks are clean or used. If the latter, yeah, you MIGHT want to pick things up a bit. But don’t stress about it. We love you just the way you are!

  • Khirad : A tweet says something to the effect: “20 dead and 1,000s injured? Ah, this is thanks to the Democracy Mubarak says he gave us, of course!” Somes it up quite nicely. I wish I’d kept track of all the grimly funny ones.

  • Chernynkaya : Oh dear. If we’re talking srting theory, I shouldn’ta had that second martini.

  • Questinia : kes :lol:

  • Questinia : Bito :lol:

  • choicelady : kes – now that IS compulsive. It’s not as if you could mix up a milk carton with anything else.

  • Questinia : Cher :lol:

  • AdLib : What happened? I left and we were talking about Egypt and the Dominionists. I come back and it’s socks and chili powder? Colbert had a guest last night to talk about String Theory and I think it’s just been proven…there are other dimensions!

  • bito : Your soup must be tasty, Q

  • Chernynkaya : Who knows? They probably smelled like burnt toe-st.

  • kesmarn : A nice argyle ragout?

  • Questinia : Problem is, the spices are in my sock drawer and my socks are on the spice rack. Do not ask.

  • choicelady : Cher – Chili pepper? Well, it was worth a try. Ya never know.

  • kesmarn : Cher, :lol: Did they smell like salsa?

  • bito : Khirad.:lol;

  • Chernynkaya : I once put chili powder in my socks to keep my feet warm. VERY bad idea.

  • kesmarn : :lol: Were we talking OCD?

  • AdLib : Hey, had to pop away to try and help KB join us. Hope it works, looking forward to having him in the mix!

  • Khirad : I was rounding smartie pants.

  • choicelady : Ques – just so your sock drawer and spice rack are TWO DIFFERENT THINGS. If so, never mind the rest. If not? Mmmm – maybe I’d rethink that. Cinnamon tootsies. Well, could be worse.

  • bito : 7:07

  • kesmarn : Count me among the disorganized. My OCD friend once scolded me for putting the milk in the fridge with the label NOT facing outward.

  • Questinia : Cher, :lol:

  • bito : Agree, Cher

  • Khirad : Just wanted to say it’s 7AM in Egypt right now.

  • Chernynkaya : You have a sock DRAWER?? wow. That’s organized. :-)

  • Questinia : Hi kes!

  • Questinia : You should see my sock drawer and my spice rack!

  • kesmarn : Fave has gone night-night, b’ito.

  • Chernynkaya : Huckabee scares me the most.

  • choicelady : Ques – if you’re a complete mess, may I say you hide it well! Never detected any such thing! I never was a hippie. I’m a lot more relaxed now, but I once marched in an anti-war march in stockings and a dress. Seemed to make sense at the time…

  • bito : OOPs

  • bito : k’es has her fav

  • kesmarn : Q, you rang?

  • Khirad : He needs to find himself a nice palace in Jeddah just in case.

  • Chernynkaya : No :oops: Q– I marroed TWO organizers! Works for me! Plus, they like me.

  • Questinia : Where’s kes?

  • kesmarn : The people: “Let Mubarak go!”

  • Questinia : :oops:

  • Khirad : I can only imagine how this feeds into endtimes prophecy as it always does when it’s a Biblical land. Oy. How about this: Mubarak: let my people go!

  • Questinia : My [email protected]!

  • Chernynkaya : Q- we just need someone to organize us.;-)

  • choicelady : bito – HUCKABEE?????? Mideast SCHOLAR???????? Oh pleeeze tell me you’re joking!

  • Questinia : Huckabee is being “groomed”

  • Questinia : We’re all liberal “hippies” who are smart but disorganiized :( I’m a complete mess!

  • Chernynkaya : I just caught that too, K! Good one!

  • Khirad : I was feeling punny.

  • choicelady : Khirad – I did not read your wonderful, funny post on Dominionists not Copting to the fact…etc. That is just GREAT!!!!

  • Chernynkaya : Bito–OMG!!

  • kesmarn : I see what you’re saying, c’lady. In short–something worse.

  • Khirad : Don’t worry Cher, I saw that too, and you are dead right on it. It’s the better of worse for them. It’s harsh, but certain. Only later, as in Iran, do they see how capricious it is when put into practice.

  • Chernynkaya : Yes, Q. They have their whole self worth and world view to protect. Desperation will give on energy.

  • bito : On your topic C’L, a tweet: Coming up on Fox News to discuss #Egypt, renowned Middle East scholar Mike Huckabee

  • choicelady : kes – my fear is that Obama’s support for real democracy mirrors JFK’s desire to get out of Vietnam. With Egypt as a supporter of Israel, or at least a bulwark holding it up, and with Israel THE target of the Dominionists to fulfill End Times prophecy, then I fear the neo cons who want the material goodies of Egypt and the Dominionists who want an Israel-friendly nation, will conspire to do in our good president. It is my slavering conspiracy notion that they had something to do with 1963. And 1968. And I have NO interest in their doing it again!

  • kesmarn : Ain’t it the truth, Q? Do they ever sleep?

  • Khirad : You know they’d hang the Copts out to dry, and I believe that. They instigate crap like that all the time, whether they are big fry or small time missionaries. Now, I’m not defending conservative Islamic views of apostasy, but you don’t need to go in kicking hornet’s nests like that, either.

  • Chernynkaya : Khirad– that was my point too, about the desire for a theocracy. At least you know the rules and can anticipate a modicum of fairness.

  • Questinia : Gawd those fundies are like fungi sprouting everywhere. The delusional tend to have energy.

  • kesmarn : Oh how well I know that song, Khirad. My family fundies have no respect whatsoever for Islam. So winsome when the time comes to proselytize…no t!

  • Khirad : That’s the thing the Brotherhood and Dominionists offer. Order. Cohesiveness. Organization goes a long way. Look at the Nazis, Fascists, etc.

  • Chernynkaya : Oh. that cache clearing thing is my nemesis.

  • choicelady : AdLib – they are. The twin ministers I tangled with who went onto the Big Time have a toe in Egypt. If they are there (one of them is featured in “The Family” so they ain’t the small fry) then you can be sure others like Franklin Graham are, too. That MAY have something to do with this. The attack on the Copts may have been a retaliation against US fundies meddling in Egyptian affairs. This movement repudiates the evangelicals, and I’d be very surprised if the latter aren’t plotting revenge. Even though they’d hang Copts out to dry, too.

  • AdLib : KB should be able to. He needs to be logged in and clear his cache then try again.

  • Khirad : I laugh secretly at my relatives thinking they’ll convert the world. Hah! You first have to learn not to be contemptuous of those culturally different than you!

  • Questinia : The only reason they are powerful is because they are organized.

  • bito : Twixt?

  • AdLib : Kes…check.

  • bito : Housekeeping- KB can’t join chat,Why?

  • Khirad : Dominionists will never be able to Copt to the fact they are just fascists in Egypt, but that’ll be Tutancommon knowledge soon enough anyway. Let them get in a battle royale with the Brotherhood and finish each other off in the wasteland of the Sinai. Instead of manna let God smite them there instead.

  • Questinia : :lol:

  • kesmarn : AdLib, do you play chess?

  • choicelady : Qes – I share your pain! My concern is their capacity to do harm. I did DV victim intervention, and getting a victim to a safe place was my ONLY goal. So yeah – paying attention to whether the bastards are armed, dangerous, and out for blood gives us ALL a better chance to protect the victims and ourselves.

  • Chernynkaya : The Dominionists have nothing in common with Islam, other than the kind of tyranny ala the aberration of the Taliban. They really don’t speak the same language and it is utterly foreign to Islam, IMO. It is more a western concept.

  • AdLib : And Q, speak up. BTW, I actually like knowing what’s coming down the road so I am prepared in advance to block it. If Repubs blame Obama for Egypt, ask them if they support Bush’s putting Hamas in power.

  • kesmarn : c’lady, I’m slow tonight. What is your fear for Obama in that scenario…that he’ll not be re-elected or something worse…?

  • choicelady : bito – thanks, but huh? I’m really paddling upstream on this! If I’d not seen my Egyptian friends and followed Khirad on these issues, I’d be in very choppy waters indeed. I’m just starting to get a handle on it. The one thing I do know, dammit, is the religious FREAKING right!

  • Questinia : OMG Adlib. You are HOT!

  • AdLib : CL – Then let the Dominionists try and proselytize in Egypt to convince them to give up democracy for a dictator so that The Dominionists can keep believing in their nihilist fantasies.

  • Khirad : Bush looked like a deer in the headlights after Hamas, and you COULD see that coming! Clearly!

  • choicelady : Everyone – I do worry about the outcomes if Mubarak leaves and what Egypt becomes is a really self-directed democracy. The unification of neo-cons and Dominionists will not tolerate that! I fear for Obama even if we can see that the outcome is REAL democracy in the MidEast for the first time maybe ever.

  • Chernynkaya : AL– that’s a briliant point!

  • bito : Good pont AdLib, Abbas said wait.

  • Questinia : The RW should be defined by US, not the other way around…

  • Chernynkaya : Q– AMEN!

  • AdLib : But have the Repubs ever blamed Bush for supporting democracy for Palestinians which resulted in the election of Hamas?

  • Chernynkaya : BTW– remember that shout-out the President gave to Muslims at the SOTU?

  • Questinia : Sorry for yelling.

  • Questinia : I’M TIRED OF THINKING OF WHAT THE RW WILL SAY, THINK, OR DO. THAT’S THE DEFINITION OF LIVING WITH AN ABUSER.

  • bito : How did you get so smart, C’lady?

  • Chernynkaya : Q– I realized after the SOTU speech how hard it’s been NOT to underestimate Obama. He is light years ahead of me.

  • kesmarn : The Rs still blame FDR for everything, b’ito. I’m sure some of them still will only call him “that man.”

  • choicelady : AdLib – I think the US Muslim community will have a thing or two to say about who was the hero of the hour! The problem is that a democracy that is friendly to our democracy may ALSO be one that is UNfriendly to Israel. So we face progressives being happy and Dominionists in a rage. Another breech in our “civility” is in the offing. Soon.

  • AdLib : Q – Or intelligent! People literally seem bewildered by a president who isn’t an idiot. “What’s this strag-ity thing?”

  • kesmarn : Right, Q! Not only does the rest of the world have to adjust every 4-8 years; we do too!

  • Khirad : Yup AdLib, it will be Carter losing Iran all over again – even though there’s not a damn thing we could do about either.

  • bito : The R’s still blame FDR for losing Poland to the USSR. THey already had it!!

  • Chernynkaya : Gawd, AL you’re right and it makes me sick. Obama doesn’t care though. He’s in it for the work; for doing what is right.

  • Questinia : I wonder how much we have been trained after 8 yrs of illiterate Bush not to fully be in sync with a Prez who tends to be more poetic.

  • Khirad : The other suggestion was Turkey, but that’s, well, Turkish – and speech to the Islamic world it may have been – 57 very different countries they may be – it was, honestly, mostly about speaking to the Arab world. There was NO other place to have done it than Cairo. Egypt is the CENTER of the region. All the sniping was just petty.

  • AdLib : You can see this coming down the road like a Mack truck. If the revolt succeeds and brings in a democracy unfriendly to the US, the Repubs will attack Obama for “losing” Egypt (as if it was ours to win or lose?). If it is a US friendly democracy, Bush will instead have been the patron saint of democracy in Egypt.

  • choicelady : Cher – another Egyptian friend said you’re right that Egypt has the lowest approval for the US of any nation. That said, I think those IN Egypt watching our reaction to their situation (and Tunisia beforre) have to be conveying that we are NOT sending gunboats but have cautioned Mubarak. That must matter considerably. The students in the mix are well versed in what COULD happen and what IS happening with respect to US intervention – or lack of it.

  • Khirad : They interviewed the Egyptian community at a Seattle Islamic Center on the local news tonight. All of them said what your friend from CAIR said C-Lady. They were just like: about time! It shouldn’t be a surprise that not any of them were fans, of course.

  • Chernynkaya : Kes– exactly.

  • kesmarn : I often think about how difficult it must be for the rest of the world to have to adapt to our changing leadership every 4-8 years. Like a bi-polar giant in the room…

  • Questinia : Especially if the flight suit was skin tight.

  • Chernynkaya : Khirad, Cairo was the right venue– they are allies in a way Lebanon is not.

  • choicelady : Khirad – Amen! I think Obama knew what was brewing even then. I agree – it sounded awkward. Now it’s insightful!

  • Chernynkaya : Also, I bet the protesters in the Arab world are rightfully skeptical about America’s dedication to democracy. They have to think about Iraq, and all the empty promises.

  • kesmarn : That Mr. Obama. He’s a clever one. :wink:

  • AdLib : Obama in a flight suit would give Bush even more of an inferiority complex.

  • Khirad : I remember the criticisms of Obama for choosing Cairo. How Mubarak shut down the streets and it was a full on clampdown. How it sent the wrong message and he should have chosen Lebanon or something. Not such a bad idea now, was it?

  • AdLib : Cher – I’m not sure they do either, that’s why I said “if they thought about it”. When you’re suffering and can’t afford food, watch friends and family die from such oppression, you probably aren’t thinking as geopolitical. But I’m sure some of those who are more in the lead roles, just might.

  • Questinia : Obama in a flight suit? Birthers would say “See I told you he was an alien!”

  • Khirad : Oh, I’m sure they weren’t caught entirely flat-footed. Since Tunisia, I know they’ve been sending attachés all over the region. I’m sure the CIA has been mighty active, as well.

  • kesmarn : Interesting point, Khirad. Prescient?

  • choicelady : AdLib – I think you’re right about the cowboy prez. Since he’s a Dominionist (DINO? Drunks aren’t all that welcome) he would be part of the anti-democracy force. American Exceptionalism, part of the Dominionist rationalization for absolute control of all the world, would render true support for that null and void.

  • Khirad : I think it’s too much to make anything of it – presumptuous. But, Obama’s Cairo speech had a part in it that I remember was awkward at the time: about leaders not fearing the people and freedom, etc. It sounds really resonant about now.

  • Chernynkaya : AL, I don;t think the Arab street fully distinguishes between our presidents.

  • choicelady : Khirad – riiiigght. Obama in a flight suit. I am sure this adminstration has been aware of the unrest, the potential for major change, and have a pre-determined “hands off” policy, at least until it becomes clear who is really in charge. How refreshing we have not sent in the gunboats and marines!

  • kesmarn : Exactly, AdLib. That’s what I was thinking. The person we have in the WH right now was a deciding factor (one of them) on the timing of this, I think.

  • Khirad : Yup C-Lady, I heard all that too elsewhere, and he has come back.

  • AdLib : Bito – Exactly, violence and guns are the viagra for the impotent-worried Repubs.

  • Chernynkaya : Bito– about Gaza, it will be met will unequal force by Israel. I have come to the conclusion that the US should have cut off aid to Israel to force a peace plan once Netanyahu was elected. As much as I support Israel, they are on a suicidal path. It’s what it would be like here if the Baggers ran govt. They must be slapped down for their own good.

  • bito : Harman knows as much as Palin about this

  • choicelady : Stories from Soraya Sarhaddi Nelson have been marvelous on NPR. She said people – shades of the 60s here – were bringing flowers to the police and military. My Egyptian friend says they WANT the Egyptian military leaders (who happened to be in DC until today) to come BACK because they trust them. These are men trained in honorable military tactics (Not the School of the Americas) that Egyptians believe will help keep the calm.

  • AdLib : Kes – If they thought about it, I think they would be far less concerned about Obama backing violence against them if they had an uprising than if Bush was president. So having a cowboy president may have instead discouraged more democracy then spread it.

  • kesmarn : Yes…the RW has trouble with the concept that we don’t/can’t/sh ouldn’t control the entire world.

  • Khirad : I hate to sound like one of the anti-Israel trolls, but I do worry AIPAC gets into this. I heard Jane Harman talking earlier on the news. Why do I want her opinion of anything? If they have anything to do about it, we’ll back Mubarak with all our might.

  • bito : Viagra!

  • AdLib : The RW is insecure at all times about appearing impotent. So, when something happens, the “Republican Way” is to do something…to perform, so no one can call you impotent. Look where that got us via Bush.

  • bito : Khirad :lol:

  • kesmarn : AdLib, maybe the awareness that Obama was so much NOT Bush was part of what gave the protesters the confidence to take the risk….?

  • Questinia : Cher, so right… Cold War mentality. We are not the police.

  • Khirad : Prepared for what indeed. Any administration would have been caught flat-footed by this. What is he supposed to do about it? Put on a flight suit?

  • Chernynkaya : I don’t think Obama was unaware of the situation and NOBODY foresaw the uprising at this particular time. I also heard bogus criticism about how the US should have been prepared. Prepared for What? Replacement of Mubarak? What an old Cold War meddling that sounds like.

  • AdLib : As I said, if Bush or McCain was in the WH at this moment, they would doom us with their “decider” decisions. They would back Mubarak, I have no doubt. And if the revolution succeeds, the U.S. would have been the ally of the oppressor who was dethroned. And Egypt’s enemy in a far more intense way.

  • Khirad : And for all those that wish the Iranians had been armed… what if these people were? Looting is bad enough, but the last thing you need is to give them an excuse for a bloodbath.

  • bito : A demonstration is to be held in Gaza later today. Thoughts?

  • Khirad : Ah, I see Cher, I know your point well. ;-)

  • kesmarn : Yes, c’lady, and I mentioned earlier today how amazing it is that this whole thing has been accomplished by people who are basically not armed! They don’t have guns, helmets,shields. ..just their numbers and their bare hands.

  • Khirad : Oh, I saw that comment earlier on another site. That this administration was “caught in the headlights”. Of course, this was from the so-called independent there (who is always loaded with FOX talking points). Now I know they got it from Bolton. Makes sense.

  • choicelady : Cher – all presidents watch TV AND get internal briefings. But nothing beats seeing what’s going on. Better than a mere description from a field operative.

  • AdLib : Cher – That’s the truth. We can make all the assumptions in the world that make sense to us but ultimately, we don’t know. As for Obama saying that, I wouldn’t take that at face value. He wants to be seen as being hands off in this, that’s the thing to say to paint that picture but with the CIA and our satellites, I don’t buy it for a moment.

  • Chernynkaya : Khirad, that was my point about the iterations of democracy– they are mot all pure, or like western demos.

  • bito : That is exactly what I tweeted to day when some were pooing on Obama, he gave a “stern warning” C’lady.

  • choicelady : bito, AdLib, kes – talk about unintended consequences! Mubarak is hoist on his slavering preferential treatment for business that is letting the democracy people keep their communications links to the outside world!

  • Khirad : I could write more on this later, Cher. Iran could actually be seen as the catalyst for this all, in a way – decades removed. We don’t think they are a democracy, and they aren’t, but they are far more representative and comfortable with it than these Arab country’s leaders. My next book is Majd’s “Ayatollah’s Democracy”, I may have more thoughts after that.

  • Chernynkaya : AdLib, that sure bears remembering. I think we have to admit that we just don;t know. Like the blind men describing an elephant. And I was shocked to hear that Obama administration was watching the events on TV as we were. Could that be true? If so, I guess the CIA is useless.

  • choicelady : bito – Bolton is an ass. Obama is being very judicious with this. He and even Hillary are on the side of democracy, and the stern warning he gave Mubarak was – treat these people humanely or ELSE. We give Egypt $1.5 billion per year. Obama implied very clearly that it was conditional.

  • AdLib : So CL…greed can be good?

  • bito : Perfect, C’Lady

  • kesmarn : c’lady, you’re right. Talk about irony!

  • bito : $$$$. I don’t have that key!!!

  • choicelady : No – that’s why it’s funny! The voices of democratic reform continue because the banks, not at all interested in reform, won’t yield their privileges.

  • Khirad : I have links where the Muslim Brotherhood has called for its own demonstrations and a leader called for Mubarak to leave. I think they are trying to insinuate themselves – or at least ride the wave.

  • kesmarn : Bolton is really a jerk, b’ito.

  • AdLib : Q – Agreed, democracy is the explosion after a long fuse of oppression has been lit.

  • Chernynkaya : Q– well said!

  • Questinia : Democracy is ironic. The Mideast doesn’t do irony ;)

  • Chernynkaya : But ran is not a democracy. I don’t understand, K.

  • kesmarn : b’ito, isn’t it amazing that the stock exchange/banks still had internet? I read an article that analyzed it as their IT people having great foresight.

  • bito : Neo-con Bolton was on saying Obama didn’t know what to do.

  • choicelady : bito – Mubarak had to capitulate to the $$$$. The banks howled. He backed off. Stuff is still getting out though – he could not cut ALL cell phone connections since those also serve the business community. Ironic, isn’t it?

  • Khirad : Crap, I have a good quote on democracy, how the best ones were all exposed early to certain thinkers – among them Iran and so predisposed to those ideas as in part their own having been absorbed and internalized for centuries before the advent of said government.

  • Chernynkaya : C;Lady: ABSOLUTELY!

  • Questinia : Democracy springs forth whenever there is an evolution toward a response to having been mistreated.

  • AdLib : We should never forget how nearly every expert and MSM outlet beat the drum for war in Iraq. Just how accurate were all of these experts then? It’s not that there’s a conspiracy or they’re all corrupt, but they are going on the same information that may not be solid. Garbage in, garbage out.

  • choicelady : Cher – I know things can turn, but the evidence from you and from my friend is that the MB is not insinuating itself. What amazes me is that the US is standing back as well – and with Egypt a huge force protecting Israel, that’s pretty amazing. Therefore – watch carefully for how the RW Dominionists who would NOT want democracy if it put Israel (and the End Times) at risk – how do they reconcile this? Label it “Islamic terrorism” and castigate Obama for letting it happen. If people are right that JFK was killed for wanting to pull out of Vietnam, then…

  • bito : Why was the only internet connection left open belong to the stock exchange and the banks?

  • Khirad : Egyptian identity requires its own post q. No way to get to that here. It’s complex.

  • Chernynkaya : I think we have different ideas about “democracy.” It makes me ponder the iterations of democracy– how it evolves, or does it just spring forth fully developed.

  • Questinia : I wonder whether Egypt wil see itself as a civilization state like China or a nation state like the US. They ARE old. But i suppose their connection to their antiquity is tenuous?

  • Khirad : Well, what I saw of Engel didn’t say anything about Islamism to me. I didn’t know what Islamic slogans had to do with Islamism, anymore than MLK was about Fundamentalist Dominionism. It’s just a common idiom as far as I see it so far.

  • AdLib : It’s clear that the status quo in this nation, including the corps that own the MSM, don’t want the boat ever rocked. I would not trust what any “expert” on any MSM outlet has to say right now. People have their agendas to oppose change, even when it may be to something better. I mean, we’ve got 40% of this country opposing their own health care due to manipulations from the MSM. They sure don’t want us getting in the habit of rooting against those with power and wealth and for the citizenry and democracy.

  • kesmarn : Wouldn’t it be wonderful if a real secular democracy could be established there? What a game-changer.

  • Khirad : That’s a typical refrain from the ME and was the thinking behind both Nasserism and the ideological mind behind the Iranian Revolution, Ali Shariati. Democracy, yes, but not Western democracy.

  • Chernynkaya : I certainly hope your friend is right, C’Lady!

  • choicelady : Cher – my young Egyptian friend is in touch with folks in Egypt and says Engel is wrong. The NPR interviews ALL have been about democracy, nothing else!

  • Khirad : I’d like to know that too, k’es. Maybe he has a point, but I’d like to see him make his case.

  • choicelady : The MB doesn’t seem to be much involved in Egypt – at least not at the moment. bito – I hope you’re right!

  • kesmarn : The impression I got from the brief article on wikipedia just now was as you say, Khirad, that the Muslim Brotherhood is going in a more conservative direction. Not sure where this Shehata (American professor) is getting this.

  • Chernynkaya : I think another factor to consider is that this is a largely undereducated populace. The believe a lot of conspiracy theories put out by the government. I have no idea which way they will go. Richard Engels said they are politically conservative and don’t particularly want a western -type democracy all at once.

  • Khirad : CLady, the Brotherhood is trying to insert themselves into this with all their might! So far people are ignoring them. The slogans are getting more Islamic : Allahu Akbars and praying, but that doesn’t mean a thing. By the way, post that NPR stuff when you get a chance on the blog post.

  • choicelady : Ques – they suck on US domestic economic analysis, but on issues such as these they are doing a GREAT job! bito-Sharia law like any other (esp. religious) gets a wide variety of interpretations. The fundaments, however, are basically generous and kind. You’d not KNOW that since a great deal of what we hear is the fundies doing their rotten interpretation of their own faith principles. You know – like OUR fundies.

  • AdLib : That’s very encouraging, bito. They aren’t exactly believers in democracy anyway.

  • bito : Demostrations

  • bito : Tweet said the brotherhood was being chased away from the Demos

  • Khirad : But that’s not true. The MB is actually veering right, and supports taking away the rights of women’s suffrage in other countries. Not sure where they stand on that in Egypt. I’m thinking it wouldn’t fly, but that they would if they could. It’s not the Muslim Sisterhood, after all. ;-)

  • Questinia : I love NPR.

  • choicelady : Khirad – I have been very impressed with NPR’s coverage that is citing all the people on the street who are clamoring for righteous government, freedom of expression, and democratic principles. The Brotherhood is nowhere to be seen at the moment. I hope it stays that way.

  • Questinia : :oops:

  • Khirad : Absolutely CL, I worry we might be making too much of the Brotherhood. I mean, if you wanted to discourage support for overthrowing a dictator, wouldn’t you exaggerate that too? Still, no matter their numbers, I worry about the Iran scenario.

  • bito : Who Interprets Shraria law? Scalia/

  • AdLib : Q: “entherism, birtherism, Bachmannerism… Aneurysm.

  • kesmarn : Hey, c’lady! And to Khirad, it’s weird just as we were talking Muslim Brotherhood, Al J had an interview with a guy named Shehata who said that this is not the Muslim B of the 1940s. More open-minded — he implied.

  • Chernynkaya : I think since this seems a really grassroots uprising, it has no leader. There are may factions and they are not unified. The only group that has any organization is the Muslim Brotherhood, so far.

  • choicelady : AdLib – LOL!!! We can only hope they don’t blow a gasket in their RW rage, our own extremists! That’s funny!

  • Questinia : Aneurysm?

  • choicelady : Khirad – I just posted on your blog – my young friend who is the ED of CAIR here, is over the moon at this movement. He said it is in pursuit PURELY of democracy! He warns us NOT to trust CNN and of course FOX on the interpretations. This is entirely about gaining freedoms we in the US support. That’s why Obama sent warnings TO Mubarak to stand down on the use of force against the demonstrators.

  • Chernynkaya : Bito– I thought so too.

  • AdLib : Aneurysm.

  • Questinia : Cher, interesting… tentherism, birtherism, Bachmannerism

  • Chernynkaya : Hi C’Lady– thanks! I was about to mention something like thast.

  • AdLib : Hey CL!

  • Khirad : Iran is gonna have to reconsider their stance! Daily Telegraph says: The American Embassy in Cairo helped a young dissident attend a US-sponsored summit for activists in New York, while working to keep his identity secret from Egyptian state police. On his return to Cairo in December 2008, the activist told US diplomats that an alliance of opposition groups had drawn up a plan to overthrow President Hosni Mubarak and install a democratic government in 2011.

  • Chernynkaya : Again, aside from all the other issues, if the US gets too involved, couldn’t it seem we are interfering and co-opting? it’s not as if we have a lot of cred in teh region.

  • choicelady : Hi everybody! I’m jumping into the Sharia Law bit. It is, as I understand it (and it’s limited to economic issues) amazingly supportive of self sufficiency and non-expoitation of one another. I send people to the Bank of Whittier (CA) and LARIBA for interest-free loans. “Riba” is interest, and it’s forbidden. Amazing!

  • AdLib : Q – Irrational IS Scalia’s number.

  • bito : I thought Obama wlked the tightrope quite well

  • AdLib : Getting back to an earler comment, what else could Obama do right now? He can’t call for Mubarak’s overthrow nor can he cheer him on in oppressing and attacking the people. It is a no win scenario for him other than to say what he did.

  • kesmarn : I’m gonna have to google, Khirad…

  • Khirad : Wanna know about the Brotherhood: start with Sayyid Qutb.

  • bito : And he was supported by the USSR

  • Chernynkaya : Scalia law sucks, but:Scalia Slaps Down GOP’s Tentherism «link»

  • Questinia : But Adlib, that would be an irrational number!

  • Khirad : Yup Cher, they were an Islamist response in post-colonial Egypt, where Nasserism went the nationalist secular – à la Ba’ath – route.

  • kesmarn : Thanks much. My knowledge of the ME is like swiss cheese — lotsa holes in it.

  • AdLib : Q – Exactly! Scalia law is based on the inverse relationship between Scalia’s power and the size of his member.

  • Questinia : That would be Sharia law Adlib?

  • Khirad : The Brotherhood are the inspiration for al-Qaida in part and exist throughout the Middle East. They work with Hamas, as well. There’s is a very long and nebulous history. They are also quite strong in Jordan.

  • kesmarn : Violently so?

  • Chernynkaya : Kes, they were around since Nassir, and Islamist.

  • AdLib : Q: The difference between Sharia Law and Scalia Law is that, as repugnant as it may be, one is based on a set of principles.

  • kesmarn : Fill me in a bit on the Muslim Brotherhood, please?

  • Chernynkaya : ‘Zactly, Q.

  • Questinia : There is NO difference between Sharia and Scalia Law.

  • kesmarn : True, Cher. Like Cheney.

  • AdLib : Agreed, tyrants believe they will live forever. Ask Kim Jong Il.

  • Khirad : I thought Mubarak would survive this. Seeing the scale of this, I’m not so sure anymore. He’s gonna have to get “Syrian” – i.e. raze cities.

  • Chernynkaya : I tyhink Mubarak things he’s never gonna die. That’s how those guys think.

  • bito : We have the RR to stop the brotherhood

  • kesmarn : Do you think Mubarak really feels he can ride this one out, Khirad?

  • Khirad : What if the Muslim Brotherhood steps in? Exactly. Like I said, we’re in a lose-lose and quite frankly f******.

  • Chernynkaya : Scalia Law!

  • bito : Shria Law!!!

  • Khirad : I disagree, the Shah was heavily medicated and didn’t know what to do, an unsureness he had had from his early days after he replaced his father. He’d begun to strain the relationship with the US for those reasons around ’73 or so. At the end he was just pathetic and begging. Mubarak has never had an indecisive streak – he’s just buying time.

  • kesmarn : When I’ve been home, I’ve been watching almost exclusively Al Jazeera the last couple days.

  • Chernynkaya : Khirad, what if we encourage a revolution and the Muslim Brotherhood steps in?

  • AdLib : Maybe they’ll bring Lou Dobbs over?

  • kesmarn : I wonder how long Rachel will be there.

  • AdLib : I don’t watch MSNBC anymore and I feel like a weight is off me.

  • Chernynkaya : MSNBC is a wasteland now. AND they stopped Ed from doing “Psycho Talk,”

  • kesmarn : Khirad, there was a tough interviewer on Al Jazeera today who said the same thing. America must chose a side, said she.

  • AdLib : Wait for the Tea Baggers to cal our Pres, “Mubarack Obama”.

  • bito : I don’t believe it MSNBC really is switching to “Lock-Up–RAW! “

  • Chernynkaya : MooBarak?

  • Chernynkaya : Khirad– the vacillation was to prevent the perception the the US was messing in Iranian politics. wwe could not win doing that.

  • Khirad : Obama and this administration, are, quite frankly, f*****. It’s a lose-lose for us. I liked the part about self-determinati on though, that this president realizes it’s ultimately up to the people of egypt, but the hedging of supporting both the people and the president was awkward, to say the least. Sorry, my man Barack, but you can’t have both.

  • bito : Good question, k’es!

  • AdLib : Can you imagine if Bush was President…or McCain or Palin? They’d be sending in aircraft carriers to protect Mubarak and attack the protesters as undermining a democratically elected leader who is our friend.

  • Chernynkaya : What do you think about Obama’s speech?

  • kesmarn : What do you think Dubya would have done if this had happened on his watch? Sent in the marines to prop up Mubarek?

  • Questinia : Palin thinks Mubarak is the name for some kind of Eskimo stew.

  • Chernynkaya : My husband and I were kinda laughing when the news reported that the protesters burned down the government headquarters, but saved the museum. Any stronger message needed?

  • kesmarn : Yes, they weren’t ripping down Mubarek pix so that they could hang them in their living rooms with flowers and incense in front of them.

  • Khirad : His speech will only give the protests more fuel to the fire. We saw this vacillation from the Shah, Ben Ali, etc.

  • AdLib : ” Obama tells Mubarak: Must take ‘concrete steps’ WASHINGTON – Stepping up pressure on a stalwart but flawed Middle East ally, President Barack Obama said he personally told Egypt’s Hosni Mubarak Friday night to take “concrete steps” to expand rights inside the Arab nation and refrain from violence against protesters flooding the streets of Cairo and other cities. The White House suggested U.S. aid could be at stake. “Surely, there will be difficult days to come, but the United States will continue to stand up for the rights of the Egyptian people and work with their government in pursuit of a future that is more just, more free and more hopeful,” Obama told reporters in the State Dining Room after speaking with the long-time leader from the White House.

  • bito : Mubarak

  • bito : Palin needs to call Mubark

  • Khirad : He said he’d gotten the message and dissolved the government. Apparently he missed the part of his posters stomped on and “Mubarak get out!”.

  • kesmarn : Very cool that such an effort was made to protect the antiquities. And thanks for the update on the speech. Bodes ill for Mubarek, though, I would say.

  • Questinia : Adlib, then you’ll need some McConnell wipes.

  • Chernynkaya : Hosni’s speech was pathetic.

  • AdLib : ” Amid massive protests, Egypt leader fires Cabinet CAIRO – Facing a popular uprising, Egypt’s president fired his Cabinet early Saturday after protesters engulfed his country in chaos — battling police with stones and firebombs, burning down the ruling party headquarters and defying a night curfew enforced by the army. In a nationally televised address at midnight, President Hosni Mubarak made vague promises of social reform but did not offer to step down himself. He also defended his security forces — outraging protesters calling for an end to his nearly 30-year regime.”

  • Khirad : Mubarak made a Ben Ali like speech. It made him look weaker.

  • bito : It’s 5;55 in the morning. but there are more protests scheduled for later.

  • Questinia : I’m already using Facebook as an activist holdout to oust a corrupt mayor. Well, not only me :)

  • Chernynkaya : Q–ME TOO!

  • Khirad : Or make it harder to burn NDP offices and riot trucks!

  • Chernynkaya : I also heard that tomorrow rain is expected so the protests might be dampened (No pun.)

  • Khirad : Yes, the army is. Remember that the Central Security services and army are all conscripts.

  • Questinia : Cher, I HOPE so. Social networking can be the new guerilla warfare. I’m so up for that.

  • kesmarn : Mubarek gave a speech? I missed that, too. What did he say?

  • AdLib : Q – I tried the Limbaugh Special once but it was so greasy, it kept slipping out of my hand and off the crust before I could take a bite.

  • bito : I read the police pulled back after Mubarak’s speech’k’es

  • kesmarn : I had to leave earlier and missed all the evening news. Are the army and the protesters still on decent terms?

  • AdLib : What is the latest anyone’s heard? Are the protests growing, shrinking?

  • Chernynkaya : Q– if that is true–two-way globalizaton, that would be a first! Do you think leaders in the West are worried? Are coprorations worrieed?

  • Khirad : That’s Persian, and I understand just enough to get the pun that was made there. ;-)

  • Questinia : Adlib… Then you’ll be wanting the Limbaugh Special.

  • Khirad : What’s interesting to me is news, during extended curfew: where are the police?

  • Chernynkaya : Khirad, I am so impressed that you read aRABIC!

  • Questinia : Khirad, I couldn’t have said it better myself! :)

  • AdLib : Mmm…sounds dee-licious, Q. Can I get some pork on the side, say about $10 billion?

  • kesmarn : And pretty soon living on $2/day will be a luxury here…

  • Questinia : Cher, globalization in more than just one way.

  • Khirad : As they said تونس تونعست و ايران نتونعست in Tunis they could, in Iran they couldn’t. And the hardliners that spoke against the فتنه “sedition” are now fully supporting these: the hypocrites. But, the Greens are expressing solidarity too. «link» While I heard even wild speculation about Central Asia, the Arab world is its own echo chamber and while Iran likes to be part of the “Arab street” it is still another culture.

  • Chernynkaya : Q– that reminds me; as i was watching the news they were listing the grievences and they sounded very similar to USA– low wages, income gap, no future for the children…

  • Questinia : Extra Cheese? Then you’ll want the “Dominoes DeLay Deep Shit” Pizza

  • kesmarn : Hummus on the side.

  • AdLib : Q – I’ll take that combo with extra cheese.

  • bito : 83

  • bito : *#

  • kesmarn : And his son is rumored not to even want the job. Wonder why?

  • Chernynkaya : He’s what– 80?

  • Questinia : That would be the ultimate Dominoes effect: Tunisia-> Egypt-> Iran-> USA. We could take a cue from them.

  • bito : Not sure about that Cher, don’t theocracies just fill the vacuum?

  • AdLib : I think that if Mubarak holds on, he’s mortally wounded as a leader and won’t last long anyway.

  • kesmarn : Sorry…PHONE!!. .. Cher, that’s sweet that they’re sensitive enough at the retreat center to do that.

  • Chernynkaya : yes– a powder keg. That’s why the Peace Talks should be a priority.

  • Chernynkaya : I think that because iran is a theocracy, it will be harder. Historically, people overthrow secular tyrants in hopes that religious govt’s will be fairer.

  • AdLib : Could the ME become more dangerous? Might extremists take power?

  • AdLib : What about Iran? Could this drive a people’s movement there?

  • Chernynkaya : AL, that’s what the analysts are saying, but I don’t really think so.

  • Questinia : bito– exactly!

  • AdLib : Bito – You know me! I’m saving the Monty Python trivia for last.

  • bito : Is Bush to be thanked for bring “democracy”?

  • Chernynkaya : (kes, when we go there as a Jewish Medtation group, they cover all the crucifixes, even thought we don;t ask them to.)

  • bito : El Barradi

  • AdLib : As goes Egypt, so goes the ME?

  • bito : Egypt is huge

  • kesmarn : I just hope we don’t see some religious extremist government fill the vacuum if Mubarek goes.

  • bito : Glad you started with something simple, AdLib. ;-)

  • Chernynkaya : Egypt is a lynch pin, no?

  • AdLib : LET’S BEGIN WITH OUR FIRST TOPIC. THE PROTESTS AND REVOLUTION IN EGYPT ARE HISTORIC. DO YOU THINK THEY WILL SUCCEED IN REMOVING MUBARAK? IF SO, WHO WILL HE BE REPLACED BY? WILL ANOTHER ARAB STATE BE NEXT?

  • kesmarn : God, Cher, that looks beautiful! Gonna bookmark that one.

  • kesmarn : Hey, Khirad!

  • kesmarn : I’ll give ’em my recliner, then Mel can fill the Sedevacant and be done with it!

  • Khirad : That’s my fear.

  • Chernynkaya : «link»

  • Chernynkaya : Holy Spirit Retreat Center

  • bito : Hear1

  • bito : Q, weren’t those Paul Paulson editorials the same we here form the R’s today?

  • Chernynkaya : Thanks, AL! Whew.

  • AdLib : “Among traditionalists, there is a more extreme group affiliated with the ultra-conservati ve stream of Catholicism known as Sedevacantism, meaning, “the seat [of the papacy] is empty.” They believe there has been no legitimate pope since 1958. Gibson hasn’t said he shares that belief, though his father, Hutton Gibson, is a well known anti-Vatican II activist and author of the book Is the Pope Catholic?”

  • Chernynkaya : I may have to Google.

  • kesmarn : Should we google? We could google.

  • Chernynkaya : Bito–that’s the fear.

  • Chernynkaya : Sheiss, one drink and I can’t remember anything.

  • bito : Will the Muslim Brotherhood fill the vacuum in Egypt?

  • kesmarn : Cool. We have The Pines in Fremont near here. Great place.

  • Chernynkaya : There’s a great sanctualry here in Encino. HUGE land and great bread.

  • kesmarn : Desert Fathers (and Mothers, too) –genuinely wild people. Lotsa wisdom there, though.

  • Chernynkaya : kes, absolutely! Think Desert Fathers, and others.

  • kesmarn : LOVE silent retreats!! Like water in the desert!

  • AdLib : Gibson calls it “Traditionalist “. Yet he got divorced. Guess some traditions were made to be broken.

  • Chernynkaya : Kes, I know MANY very Liberal Catholics. I go to silent retreats at their places. Very cool!

  • kesmarn : There are Catholic Charismatics, too, Cher…?

  • kesmarn : I’m not sure, Cher. I make a point of hanging out with extremely lib Catholics…and believe it or not, they’re out there. Just being kinda persecuted at the moment…

  • Chernynkaya : :lol: Not that one either. Maybe I’m tripping.

  • Questinia : Illuminati?

  • Chernynkaya : Ooooh, AL!

  • AdLib : You don’t want to die in his church. Instead of formaldehyde, they just stuff your crust with cheese.

  • bito : Didn’t he try to open a development in FL that only RC’s could buy

  • Chernynkaya : Not that one, kes. The Mel Gibson one.

  • kesmarn : Tom might be one of the few wealthy Americans who owns a whole nunnery. Opus Dei, Cher?

  • Chernynkaya : What’s the name of the Catholic sect that’s extreme?

  • kesmarn : With a Latin accent, b’ito.

  • bito : Dominos vobiscum. Et cum spiritu tuo German?

  • AdLib : The first Spiritus Sanctus Academy opened its doors in the fall of 1995 at Dominos Farms in Ann Arbor, Michigan. Over the next several years 3 more Spiritus Sanctus Academies opened in the Ann Arbor and Plymouth areas. The schools were established by Tom Monaghan (former owner and CEO of Domino’s Pizza and Catholic philanthropist) and sponsored by the Ave Maria Foundation. They were envisioned as small, faith focused and family oriented Catholic schools and initially were built to accommodate only 100 students each. «link»

  • Chernynkaya : “I caught the bus, you caught the bus, we catch the bu-u-us.” That’s my Latin. Actually, they made me take that in high school.:-(

  • kesmarn : If one of our drivers hits you, you go straight to heaven.

  • AdLib : If we’re not there in 30 minutes, your first sin is free.

  • kesmarn : Dominos vobiscum. Et cum spiritu tuo.

  • AdLib : Q – :lol:

  • Chernynkaya : Yes, kes.

  • kesmarn : I think Dominos is owned by a Catholic RWer who’s slightly to the right of the Pope.

  • AdLib : Cher – Agreed! Though I have not had a DOmino’s pizza willingly since college.

  • Chernynkaya : God, kes. Never thought of that!

  • kesmarn : Raw materials for gallstones?

  • Chernynkaya : HAH! AL

  • Questinia : Dominos… aren’t they owned by Dominionists?

  • AdLib : “Kids, are you eating Taco Bell?” “We’re just making sand castles in our tummies!” “well, okay then.”

  • Chernynkaya : That’s why we need to boycott Domimos– Lardbaugh sponsor.

  • kesmarn : b’ito…if you’re a chicken, eh?

  • kesmarn : “came from,” not “come from,” I’m not THAT Ohio…

  • bito : Good for the gullet

  • AdLib : Cher, that’s funny, Rush Limbaugh said the same thing. He is coming out with a whole line of LimbaughLard Cuisine.

  • Questinia : apparently the beef content is too small…

  • Chernynkaya : Mmmm SAND. Really helps digestion.

  • kesmarn : I was almost relieved to see that they only had that much beef in ’em, because I’m sure it come from mad cows. Or maybe loco cows…

  • Chernynkaya : Alton Brown says lard had few calories than veg oil. I don;t beleive him.

  • AdLib : They even have silica in their taco meat…sand!

  • kesmarn : Taco Bells “beef” tacos only had 30% beef in them. The rest is “stuff.”

  • AdLib : And KFC is going to stop calling what they serve chicken and instead call it by it’s main ingredient, KFL, Kentucky Fried Lard.

  • Chernynkaya : Bito, apparently the beef content is too small.

  • kesmarn : And he’s not lyin’ :wink:

  • bito : What was that about Taco Bell?

  • Chernynkaya : AdLob: Ouch!

  • AdLib : Mmm…lion tacos! My mane taco!

  • kesmarn : Pay no attention to the “garnish” on the brownies…

  • bito : What is 200 dollar baked potato like/

  • Chernynkaya : Did you hear that Taco Bell may be forced to stop calling them :beef: tacos?

  • AdLib : That’s not mold, that’s some of the secret brownie ingredient.

  • kesmarn : Any of those lion tacos left?

  • Questinia : Those brownies are moldy ;)

  • AdLib : Heh! I mean, yes Kes, that will be $15,000 for the pizza. Hope you liked the caviar and endangered seal combo?

  • Questinia : I need a martini! I wonder what I DO have…. lemme see…. be back in a few…

  • kesmarn : b’ito….shhhhh hhh!

  • bito : Don’t eat THOSE brownies

  • kesmarn : $15,000 wasn’t it, AdLib? We ordered from Katz’s.

  • Questinia : But I’m keepin’ the pizza.

  • kesmarn : There are brownies….

  • Chernynkaya : Hay Kes!

  • AdLib : Once you take a piece of pizza, we consider you no longer a guest. That’s $1,50 please.

  • Questinia : Is there pizza near the recliner?

  • Chernynkaya : Warning: HAd the martini already.

  • kesmarn : I want my recliner back.

  • Questinia : Shit, lost guest status :(

  • kesmarn : Hey, Cher! Hey, Q! Let me move out of the recliner and allow THE GUEST to sit here!

  • Chernynkaya : Nope– you’re a Quest.

  • AdLib : ( O ) ( O )

  • Questinia : I’m a guest and I expect to be TREATED LIKE ONE!!!

  • AdLib : I’ll be live blogging from my iPhone but just had a hiccup with test posting an image. Hope it works!

  • Chernynkaya : Hi all! And don’t nut Domino’s!

  • Questinia : *~^^^~ ||| ~^^^~* trans: “greetings”

  • kesmarn : Give ’em hell!

  • AdLib : Yep Kes, should be quite a Sunday!

  • bito : supreme!!

  • AdLib : Cheese or pepporoni, dear guests?

  • kesmarn : Hi, guests!!

  • AdLib : There’s pizza in the break room.

  • bito : 11 guests?!!

  • AdLib : And your name does show up! But your gravatar doesn’t! Weird. I’ll try something tomorrow.

  • kesmarn : Thanks, AdLib! Looking forward to an exciting weekend, aren’tcha?

  • AdLib : Heh!

  • AdLib : Who said that?

  • bito : Ya know, I’m going to quit this site, my name doesn’t show up and my avatar disappears. Persona non Grata

  • AdLib : Tell me about it, been going in 18 directions! Great to seeya!

  • kesmarn : My ADD is in overdrive tonight…Hola!. ..and bear with me…lots o’ sensory input tonight — from all directions!

  • AdLib : How many songs are there about Friday night? Lot’s about Saturday but not as many about Friday.

  • AdLib : Don’t forget to say “hi” when you arrive!

  • AdLib : javazzzzzzz!!!

  • javaz : LMFAO

  • javaz : All right. I get it. It’s one of a few choices – I choose to believe that you all miss me!

  • javaz : LMFAO this is why I live in Arizona – the weather.

  • javaz : Where are you? What is the temp?

  • javaz : Wow – does this mean that I could talk to anyone live here?

  • AdLib : Vox Populi, our live weekly chat about the week’s events, begins tonight at 7 pm PST. You can participate in the sidebar widget on any page or on the full Vox Populi page by clicking here: «link»

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Written by AdLib

My motto is, "It is better to have blogged and lost hours of your day, than never to have blogged at all."

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