Comments on: Healthcare Reform: What’s in it for Me? http://planetpov.com/2009/11/30/healthcare-reform-whats-in-if-for-me/ Real People Real Opinions | Politics News Social Issues Humor Thu, 09 Sep 2010 11:55:53 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: nellie http://planetpov.com/2009/11/30/healthcare-reform-whats-in-if-for-me/comment-page-1/#comment-12904 nellie Thu, 03 Dec 2009 21:16:49 +0000 http://planetpov.com/?p=3995#comment-12904 I'm clinging to the words from Senator Klobuchar -- the only thing left for them to do is delay. So we just have to hang in there. Let them have their theater, and hang in there. Reid is making them stay through Christmas -- a just reward for their stalling. Everyone knows what they're doing. I’m clinging to the words from Senator Klobuchar — the only thing left for them to do is delay.

So we just have to hang in there. Let them have their theater, and hang in there. Reid is making them stay through Christmas — a just reward for their stalling. Everyone knows what they’re doing.

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]]> By: bitohistory http://planetpov.com/2009/11/30/healthcare-reform-whats-in-if-for-me/comment-page-1/#comment-12897 bitohistory Thu, 03 Dec 2009 21:03:10 +0000 http://planetpov.com/?p=3995#comment-12897 n'ellie, Just to back up your thoughts: Yesterday, Politico’s Chris Frates obtained a copy of a memo authored by Sen. Judd Gregg (R-NH) outlining exactly how Senate Republicans can kill health reform using various parliamentary tactics. Some of the tactics include: demanding a new legislative day, forcing “hard” quorum calls, and compelling GOP Senators to offer an “unlimited number of amendments — germane or non-germane — on any subject” to the health bill. Gregg’s colleagues attempted a similar obstruction strategy to kill health reform in committee, offering dozens of frivolous amendments to bog down the debate. http://thinkprogress.org/2009/12/03/gregg-obstruction-memo/ The memo: http://www.politico.com/static/PPM110_091202_minorityrights.html worth a read! n’ellie, Just to back up your thoughts:
Yesterday, Politico’s Chris Frates obtained a copy of a memo authored by Sen. Judd Gregg (R-NH) outlining exactly how Senate Republicans can kill health reform using various parliamentary tactics. Some of the tactics include: demanding a new legislative day, forcing “hard” quorum calls, and compelling GOP Senators to offer an “unlimited number of amendments — germane or non-germane — on any subject” to the health bill. Gregg’s colleagues attempted a similar obstruction strategy to kill health reform in committee, offering dozens of frivolous amendments to bog down the debate.

http://thinkprogress.org/2009/12/03/gregg-obstruction-memo/

The memo: http://www.politico.com/static/PPM110_091202_minorityrights.html

worth a read!

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]]> By: bitohistory http://planetpov.com/2009/11/30/healthcare-reform-whats-in-if-for-me/comment-page-1/#comment-12892 bitohistory Thu, 03 Dec 2009 20:32:01 +0000 http://planetpov.com/?p=3995#comment-12892 Oh, surprise, surprise, after 4 days after of gab and delay the McCain bill fails. 42-58. Now the rethugs are still talking about it. Oh, surprise, surprise, after 4 days after of gab and delay the McCain bill fails. 42-58. Now the rethugs are still talking about it.

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]]> By: bitohistory http://planetpov.com/2009/11/30/healthcare-reform-whats-in-if-for-me/comment-page-1/#comment-12868 bitohistory Thu, 03 Dec 2009 19:19:36 +0000 http://planetpov.com/?p=3995#comment-12868 After 4 days on the McCain amendment(to re-commit the HC bill) and blocking a voe on their own amend. There will be a vote today at 2:45pm EST. Will the public ever know that this is the Rethugs tactic? Take 4 days on each of the many amendments! This bill may get passed in 2012! If I see McGrumpy speaking one more time...... This man has not spent one day of his life without government paid health care! He was wrapped in GI swaddling clothes when he was born!! After 4 days on the McCain amendment(to re-commit the HC bill) and blocking a voe on their own amend. There will be a vote today at 2:45pm EST. Will the public ever know that this is the Rethugs tactic? Take 4 days on each of the many amendments! This bill may get passed in 2012! If I see McGrumpy speaking one more time……
This man has not spent one day of his life without government paid health care! He was wrapped in GI swaddling clothes when he was born!!

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]]> By: PatsyT http://planetpov.com/2009/11/30/healthcare-reform-whats-in-if-for-me/comment-page-1/#comment-12818 PatsyT Thu, 03 Dec 2009 06:56:11 +0000 http://planetpov.com/?p=3995#comment-12818 When they (repubs) start in with the Large Government vs Small Government I want to punch something. How about SMART Government? Large or small- use as needed- Like a prescription Our nations needs wax and wane and one size can not fit all. We have to meet the needs of the time. We need to have SMART Policies, Smart Government that may at times be large! Ooooo Ooooo get over it, if it works, if it is smart, you will like it! If we know that by doing nothing, costs will go thru the roof for everyone, Then we must say - We need to get everyone covered (if using the insurance model) So that will mean subsidies and that will COST the taxpayers big $$$. That is why PUBLIC OPTION is necessary- So we do not have the extra taxes. If we go the route of subsidies alone -no PO- We are paying our tax Dollars to insurance for profit enterprises, ultra high CEO pay etc. . We Must have a Not For Profit, Public Option and a very Strong One!! This is the only way to get the costs down with out going for Single Payer. I would have preferred Single Payer any day of the week, but we have The Public Option. They could have used a better name maybe Open Option or Free Beer or something like that. When they (repubs) start in with the Large Government vs Small Government
I want to punch something. How about SMART Government?
Large or small- use as needed- Like a prescription
Our nations needs wax and wane and one size can not fit all.
We have to meet the needs of the time.
We need to have SMART Policies, Smart Government that may at times be large!
Ooooo Ooooo get over it, if it works, if it is smart, you will like it!

If we know that by doing nothing, costs will go thru the roof for everyone,
Then we must say -
We need to get everyone covered (if using the insurance model)
So that will mean subsidies and that will COST the taxpayers big $$$.
That is why PUBLIC OPTION is necessary-
So we do not have the extra taxes.
If we go the route of subsidies alone -no PO-
We are paying our tax Dollars to insurance for profit enterprises, ultra high CEO pay etc. .
We Must have a Not For Profit, Public Option and a very Strong One!!
This is the only way to get the costs down with out going for Single Payer.
I would have preferred Single Payer any day of the week, but we have The Public Option.
They could have used a better name maybe
Open Option or Free Beer or something like that.

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]]> By: LITU http://planetpov.com/2009/11/30/healthcare-reform-whats-in-if-for-me/comment-page-1/#comment-12816 LITU Thu, 03 Dec 2009 05:56:10 +0000 http://planetpov.com/?p=3995#comment-12816 What I find interesting is the ease at which east Europeans are able to get entitlements, using resident family members as their leverage. Theirs is a culture of graft. That's how they survived before coming to this country. They bring that model with them and then scam the entitlements system, and there seems to be nothing anyone can do about it. It's rampant in Washington State. They are an incredible burden on the system. What I find interesting is the ease at which east Europeans are able to get entitlements, using resident family members as their leverage. Theirs is a culture of graft. That’s how they survived before coming to this country. They bring that model with them and then scam the entitlements system, and there seems to be nothing anyone can do about it. It’s rampant in Washington State.

They are an incredible burden on the system.

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]]> By: nellie http://planetpov.com/2009/11/30/healthcare-reform-whats-in-if-for-me/comment-page-1/#comment-12545 nellie Wed, 02 Dec 2009 18:05:00 +0000 http://planetpov.com/?p=3995#comment-12545 I heard one of the senators interviewed -- I forget who it was, maybe Amy Klobuchar -- warning that the Republicans' only strategy, at this point, is delay. That's all they can do. So expect a procedural motion on every excruciating bit of minutia. I heard one of the senators interviewed — I forget who it was, maybe Amy Klobuchar — warning that the Republicans’ only strategy, at this point, is delay. That’s all they can do. So expect a procedural motion on every excruciating bit of minutia.

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]]> By: bitohistory http://planetpov.com/2009/11/30/healthcare-reform-whats-in-if-for-me/comment-page-1/#comment-12543 bitohistory Wed, 02 Dec 2009 18:02:15 +0000 http://planetpov.com/?p=3995#comment-12543 Oh this is special. LOL The Rethugs have been discussing the McCain Amend. all week. DEMS. called for a vote, And the R's objected to the vote. Dog, it's their amendment! They want this bill to take 2 years. Oh this is special. LOL The Rethugs have been discussing the McCain Amend. all week. DEMS. called for a vote, And the R’s objected to the vote. Dog, it’s their amendment! They want this bill to take 2 years.

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]]> By: kesmarn http://planetpov.com/2009/11/30/healthcare-reform-whats-in-if-for-me/comment-page-1/#comment-12438 kesmarn Wed, 02 Dec 2009 02:03:52 +0000 http://planetpov.com/?p=3995#comment-12438 So true! And I have to admit, I had quite a "discussion" with my own father, who is refusing a pacemaker. Having one implanted is hardly major surgery and it could make his quality of life a whole lot better. But he won't do it. Says that the time and equipment should go to someone younger. (As though there's a critical shortage of pacemakers!) And when he goes to his cardiologist, he lies! :o Says he's having no symptoms, when he tells me the complete opposite. It's frustrating. But--as you say--this is something that's hard to navigate until you're actually right in the middle of the situation. And that's where everything is often the least clear! As with so many things, we muddle through somehow and the clarity comes later... So true! And I have to admit, I had quite a “discussion” with my own father, who is refusing a pacemaker. Having one implanted is hardly major surgery and it could make his quality of life a whole lot better. But he won’t do it. Says that the time and equipment should go to someone younger. (As though there’s a critical shortage of pacemakers!) And when he goes to his cardiologist, he lies! :o Says he’s having no symptoms, when he tells me the complete opposite. It’s frustrating. But–as you say–this is something that’s hard to navigate until you’re actually right in the middle of the situation. And that’s where everything is often the least clear!
As with so many things, we muddle through somehow and the clarity comes later…

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]]> By: choicelady http://planetpov.com/2009/11/30/healthcare-reform-whats-in-if-for-me/comment-page-1/#comment-12393 choicelady Wed, 02 Dec 2009 00:01:20 +0000 http://planetpov.com/?p=3995#comment-12393 I happened, for various reasons, to take the FBI Citizens Academy training in which they detailed that one of their top ten efforts was pursuing Medicare fraud. I was horrified at how easy it is - just set up a phony "durable medical equipment" site, get some junkie working in a medical office to steal social security numbers (easier than you'd ever want to believe) and you're in business for the three months it takes for you to get tracked down - by which time you're gone, and a new business at a new address is established. There is nothing under the sun so good that someone with real malice in them can't screw up. I'd suggest vetting said people BEFORE allowing them to sign up - have to show you're in business for X numbers of months or years - which might help. These fly by night thieves are almost impossible to catch. It is true that many immigrant do this - in CA they are ALL East European. Welcome to America. I happened, for various reasons, to take the FBI Citizens Academy training in which they detailed that one of their top ten efforts was pursuing Medicare fraud. I was horrified at how easy it is – just set up a phony “durable medical equipment” site, get some junkie working in a medical office to steal social security numbers (easier than you’d ever want to believe) and you’re in business for the three months it takes for you to get tracked down – by which time you’re gone, and a new business at a new address is established. There is nothing under the sun so good that someone with real malice in them can’t screw up. I’d suggest vetting said people BEFORE allowing them to sign up – have to show you’re in business for X numbers of months or years – which might help. These fly by night thieves are almost impossible to catch. It is true that many immigrant do this – in CA they are ALL East European. Welcome to America.

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