palinLIARWe’re all pretty weary of hearing about Tundra Tart, and I know that most of you think that she isn’t a serious political threat.  I happen to disagree with that assessment, and when I read Shannyn’s post on this particular issue, I felt that it should be known far and wide.
The article by Ms. Moore is the back story to yet another Palin lie in ‘Going Rogue’  regarding the Exxon oil spill, and the SCOTUS case it engendered.  By the way, this article is also posted on HP, but I snagged it from Shannyn’s site.

curly quote I know facts aren’t going to matter to many people buying Sarah Palin’s, Going Rogue. Facts certainly didn’t matter to folks who voted for her.
According to the “fact checkers“:

PALIN: Welcomes last year’s Supreme Court decision deciding punitive damages for victims of the nation’s largest oil spill tragedy, the Exxon Valdez disaster, stating it had taken 20 years to achieve victory. As governor, she says, she’d had the state argue in favor of the victims, and she says the court’s ruling went “in favor of the people.” Finally, she writes, Alaskans could recover some of their losses.

THE FACTS: That response is at odds with her reaction at the time to the ruling, which resolved the long-running case by reducing punitive damages for victims to $500 million from $2.5 billion. Environmentalists and plaintiffs’ lawyers decried the ruling as a slap at the victims and Palin herself said she was “extremely disappointed.” She said the justices had gutted a jury decision favoring higher damage awards, the Anchorage Daily News reported. “It’s tragic that so many Alaska fishermen and their families have had their lives put on hold waiting for this decision,” she said, noting many had died “while waiting for justice.”

When Sarah Palin was asked by Katie Couric what Supreme Court decisions other than Roe v. Wade she disagreed with, she couldn’t think of one. NOT ONE! Sarah squandered an opportunity, the perfect chance to tell America our story, an Alaskan story: dozens of suicides, thousands sick from clean up, tens of thousands bankrupt from a dead fishery.

Sarah Palin is to Alaska what Velveeta is to cheese; sadly unsatisfying and empty of nutrition. She had the national stage to plead Alaska’s case to citizens who had long forgotten the images of a once pristine Prince William Sound turned into a thick, black, rolling sea; the oiled sea otters and birds; unrecognizable seals and whales; an initially deformed and diseased herring run that became extinct — costing Cordova $100 million a year. Exxon exploited Alaska and turned pain into profit.

palinliesAND NOW, Palin is claiming to be part of a victory for the people of Alaska? Reality Deficit Disorder…now in book form.

The Exxon Shipping Co. v. Baker Supreme Court decision in June 2008 all but pardoned Exxon’s negligence. The highest court in the land condoned the half-assed cleanup. (My radio interview on the day of the ruling with Greg Palast). Exxon, the company that set and broke Planet Earth’s quarterly profit record three quarters in a row, was let off the hook. Because of this unprecedented landmark decision, future corporate punitive damages are now forever minimally capped at literally pennies on the dollar!

The Roberts Court based its activist ruling on 19th century maritime law. Really! 21st century corporations can now view punitive damages as the small cost of doing business. Due to Exxon’s negligence and the corporate sympathy of the Supreme Court, one the largest acts of environmental terrorism in history was treated like an accidental littering. The RATS — Roberts, Alito, Thomas and Scalia, (Alito recused himself, confident that Souter and Kennedy would fill the business-friendly void) winked at their corporate masters as the Judas Court betrayed Justice.

Exxon doesn’t have marked offices in Alaska. There are some pretty hard feelings even 20 years later for some pretty good reasons. When Palin was pointing fingers at Letterman in July of this year, she did it from Houston, Texas. She was there to sign a deal with Exxon on behalf of Alaska. The state’s willingness to do business with Exxon was like having your parents rent the basement to the guy who date raped you on prom night. Am I clear?

So Sarah was against the decision before she couldn’t remember it before she was for it. And now, courtesy of Going Rogue, Sarah Palin manages to insult and injure Alaskans who will never be made whole with yet another one of her documented lies.

The jury originally punished Exxon with $5 billion in punitive damages — a year’s profit at the time. In 2008, nearly 20 years later, Exxon reported the largest annual profit in US history at $45.22 billion. The company shattered its own record set the previous year. Would the original $5 billion in punitive damages been punishment enough? The answer is now slowly dripping onto victims at 10 cents on the dollar. Opening your mailbox to an Exxon Valdez Oil Spill Settlement check is like getting a royalty payment for the snuff film your kid brother was in. Hey, you’re getting paid, but he’s still dead and you got to watch.

curly quote(above) Then Governor Palin’s appropriate reaction to the Exxon v. Baker decision June, 2008

curly quoteCandidate Palin’s stunning memory lapse of Exxon v. Baker just 3 months later…
Look for Going Rogue in the revisionist history section of your local bookstore on Tuesday…

http://shannynmoore.wordpress.com/2009/11/14/palins-oily-lies-drip-from-the-pages-of-going-rogue/

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bito
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Palin/Beck to run our country?

This has to be a dream ticket —for the dems.
Yet pretty damn scary for the country and the world.
http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover/palin_beck_2012_ticket/2009/11/17/287568.html
“I can envision a couple of different combinations, if ever I were to be in a position to really even seriously consider running for anything in the future, and I’m not there yet,” Palin tells Newsmax. “But Glenn Beck I have great respect for. He’s a hoot. He gets his message across in such a clever way. And he’s so bold ? I have to respect that. He calls it like he sees it, and he’s very, very, very effective.

I will, somehow, leave this country.

LITU
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LITU

Channel 6 News, Boise, yesterday evening encouraged viewers to watch the Oprah interview, where the newscaster (female) said, “Sarah doesn’t pull any punches.”

And I dare wonder why Idaho is still living in the 50’s?

bito
Member

I do hope you called them a registered a complaint. Some thing like “Stick to the news” or Get a subscription to “The Nation “(grin)

LITU
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LITU

Good luck with that! I’ve done that sort of complaining in the past, to no avail. And believe me, in this neo-con town, dissent is deemed evil.

As an afterthought, my favorite newsletter is Hightower Lowdown, followed closely by Mother Jones.

AdLib
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I’m sure you’re well aware that Idaho is the most Republican state in the nation.

Why, I’m not too sure but while every other part of the nation moved away from Bush and The GOP towards Obama and the Dems, Idaho stayed planted as potatoes in the GOP camp.

Do you know historically why the state is so Republican? I’m curious.

bito
Member

A short message from Brave New films on the “other book ” “Going Rouge-An American Nightmare”
http://www.orbooks.com/index.php?/goingrouge/watch-going-rouge-the-movie/
The real SP?

Read the intro to the book:
http://www.orbooks.com/index.php?/goingrouge/read-the-introduction/

TheLateGrardini
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Quite honestly I don’t see her as a threat, mainly because the people she will be facing in a GOP presidential primary will not be shy about taking off the gloves and letting her have it. There are a lot of skeletons in the various GOP closets, and she has as many as the rest. What will she say when a Republican asks to see medical records? It’s one thing to refuse a Democratic request, another to refuse your own party. Or let her go third-party–she will be the Nader/nadir of the GOP.

HITO
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HITO

I don’t know Great. If the GOP perceives her to be “The One” due to popularity, they may team her up with Pawlenty as veep again, to garner the women’s vote. Liz Cheney is another contender for that slot. GOP would never allow a woman to run for president however.

Either way, Palin is the gift that keeps on giving. It’s just a matter of time before she embarrasses herself with her ignorance. I truly hope she is part of the GOP ticket in 2012.

javaz
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Good morning Hito and anyone else that’s here this morning!

OMG.

Liz Cheney as VP?
What are her qualifications?
A job that was made specifically for her during GWB’s term?

Anything is possible with the Republican Party.

HITO
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HITO

Hi Javaz…good to see you.

Liz Cheney. The blood line runs strong in that one. That’s all the GOP care about. And besides, she’s a lying bitch just like her father.

(Think that was my first “bad” word posting. Felt pretty good.)

And now off to work I go. Hope I see you later.

AdLib
Admin

As frightening as the concept of Palin as president is, so is the concept of 2012 being the end of the world.

But both are imaginary and not worth the energy worrying about.

Palin has no crossover potential with moderates, independents, minority voters, younger voters and on and on.

Her image is cemented in the minds of voters and that’s not a good thing. She’s crying “Death Panels” while the majority of the nation calls out, “Public Option”.

She is melded to the Teabagger movement which alienates her from anyone who graduated high school or isn’t mandated to attend Anger Management classes.

So, though the prospect would be horrible, the possibility of ever having to seriously deal with it is infinitesimal.

Khirad
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By the way whenever I see ads for that movie, I’m reminded of those Chicken Little’s bemoaning and hysterically raving that Obama’s been a failure since hour one.

Khirad
Member

I only have one question (besides help remembering the latest nickname I heard for her which made me laugh – aargh!).

When is Bill Shatner gonna be reading from this brilliant, policy tome? Ah, if only William F. Buckley Jr. could have had a ghostwriter too!

I give you Sarah Palin’s America, in an alternate reality, where she has a chance of winning the general (I have doubts about the primary as the head of a ticket).

KevenSeven
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Is Sarah451 stupid, or just proudly and blissfully ignorant?

I think the latter. I don’t think she is literally stupid. Rather, she is just incurious and ignorant, and arrogant and proud, kind of like W(orthless).

Pepe Lepew
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She’s the kind of stupid person who actually thinks she’s smart, though…
… It’s an NPD kind of stupid.

Khirad
Member

Indeed.

Thank goodness for edit feature (I totally just blasted you in a fit of drunken rage). Kidding, just misread that.

Pepe Lepew
Member

Don’t drink and post!

nellie
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In response to kesmarn’s request:

Buzzflash ran an interview with Dr. Justin Frank, who did a psychiatric analysis of George Bush and published it in a book titled “Bush on the Couch.” I would only add that my grief therapist agreed with Dr. Frank. We had a president with a serious antisocial personality disorder.

The author always emphasizes that he never spoke to Bush in person, and that this analysis is done based on his observations of Bush’s behavior, family history, and decision making. He talks about Bush’s competitiveness with/contempt for his father, his indifference to suffering, his anger. There are childhood experiences that are chilling — things that Bush did and things that happened to him that made things worse. It’s a frightening portrait. It would be tragic if the man were not so destructive. And Dr. Frank does not take Bush for an idiot. This is an intelligent, but highly destructive, and highly contemptuous person. What Frank writes, imo, is consistent with Bush’s presidency. I think we were lucky he didn’t do more damage.

You can read the interview here: http://blog.buzzflash.com/interviews/049

kesmarn
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Thanks so much, nellie. I’m going to go read the interview now. This site is the most amazing source of support and info I’ve come across on line! A terrific group of people.

KQµårk 死神
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While I agree personally with many findings in this analysis. I think it’s pretty irresponsible for a profession to present an analysis like these. I’m not saying the facts should not be presented, but the disclaimer is a farce. We all know who W is based on his actions alone. History will be the judge of the man and his presidency.

It now begs the question based on this interview what if President Obama sends more troops to Afghanistan is he doing it to punish the American people?

We already have enough kooks out there like Alex Jones. The last thing we need is to give some legitimacy to any of the shoddy pop-psych books or films.

nellie
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I’ve heard this man speak with more than one interviewer. And I understand what you’re saying, but I find him persuasive. Historians have done the same kind of analysis of every president — psychology from a distance. They’ve done it with Truman, Nixon, Clinton, our founding fathers, Lincoln. It’s not an uncommon practice.

KQµårk 死神
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Sorry I really was not clear. The timing and mixing in current events is the problem I have. Every historical figure should be analyzed after the time they had their most influence on history.

kesmarn
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That was an interview well worth reading. (It was done in 2007.)
Frank doesn’t pull his punches:

“A lot of people would disagree with me. I really think that Bush is not competent to be President. He is unconsciously destructive. He is out of touch with his cruelty. He is unable to think clearly when presented with new information. He cannot do it. He cannot read. He cannot pay attention to the Baker-Hamilton Report. He never looked at that report. He looked at the opening title, about a new way forward or something, and that

nellie
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And after eight years of enduring Bush, we chose a man who is mature and compassionate. A much needed remedy for what was left behind.

kesmarn
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Really the polar opposite of Bush in virtually every way. Which was, as you said, exactly what we needed. I still stand amazed at the amount of damage W did in a relatively short time frame…with virtually no area of the economy, foreign or domestic policy, or the national psyche left totally intact. BHO has possibly a bigger repair job to do than even FDR. God help him!

Now the midnight hour approaches, so I’ll have to say good night to all!

nellie
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Good night, kesmarn. Pleasant dreams.

LITU
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LITU

“The Family” is also a worthwhile read.

Kalima
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I have to get ready to go out, and all being well, I might pop in later. Bye for now. *waves*

kesmarn
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Bye, Kalima. May you return refreshed and feeling fine.

nellie
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*waves*

TTYL!

kesmarn
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nicole, I have to say I share your uneasiness with the Palin situation. She reminds me of Ronald Reagan (only even dumber, if that’s possible) in her ability to captivate her base.

To me, the worst case scenario would be Palin as a third party candidate who could pull in the racists, the disillusioned, the religious fanatics, and the pro-business cynical types who could have her working for them the way she has worked for Exxon.

And I really do believe she’s testing the waters for a third party. It’s clear she’s not afraid to burn bridges with mainstream Republican figures. I don’t think she cares in the least whether they support her as the Repub candidate or not. I have a feeling she thinks she’ll build her own base over the next three years and when she runs, she’ll be running the show completely herself…as a rogue.

I sincerely hope the American voting public isn’t dimwitted enough to fall for her, but after two terms of W, nothing would surprise me.

KevenSeven
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Oh, I would not say that Sarah451 is no threat.

I am concerned about all cheap-assed demagogues.

But you need to ask yourself: which of the Rethug pos that you know would give Obama the strongest challenge?

bito
Member

Waaaaay to early.

KevenSeven
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Huh? We are all talking about what sort of threat she is. Not just me.

And the word is spelled “too”, not “to”.

Kalima
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Not here too kev?

KQµårk 死神
Member

It’s a common typo we imperfect humans make from time too time.

Kalima
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😆 Along with “there and their” “bear and bare “which and witch” “bean and been” and so on and so forth. So what???

nellie
Member

Here here!

I mean…. Hear hear!

nellie
Member

A caller on Stephanie Miller gave Sarah’s autobio an alternative title:

The Book to Nowhere

I’m one of those people who thinks Sarah Palin has already worn out her 15 minutes of fame. If this is the best the GOP can do as a nominee for 2012, then the party is already dead. If she is, as I suspect, a throwaway candidate because they already know Barack Obama cannot be defeated, then they’re playing it smart.

KQµårk 死神
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I’ll eat my favorite baseball cap if Palin wins the presidency in my lifetime.

Kalima
Admin

😆 You can eat mine too as your dessert.

escribacat
Member

Ditto. She will sabotage herself long before she gets even close.

javaz
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bito
Member

John Ziegler–’nuff said.

Kalima
Admin

What a complete nutter! He must have picked up the wrong book.

It did send waves of nausea to my empty stomach but that’s not your fault at all and then I laughed out loud at the absurdity of the man for writing such utter BS.

AdLib
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Was Ziegler also the one who claimed that during Palin’s debate with Biden, it was like she was winking at him personally and he saw starbursts coming from Palin’s eyes?

That repressed sexuality of Republicans sure surfaces in some bizarre ways.

Kalima
Admin

That was sick but at the same time pathetic and quite hilarious. I remember thinking at the time, get a life or get a girlfriend so you can throw away your “blow-up” doll.

nellie
Member

Yes, that was deeply strange.

KQµårk 死神
Member

Palin was better than Viagra for dirty old Republican men.

Kalima
Admin

The guy who said this was not an old geezer and that was like something out of the”Twilight Zone” for me. Mentally healthy guys of his age, don’t imagine that someone is winking at them from a tv screen, at least not the guys that I know or have known.

nellie
Member

he he he he he

KQµårk 死神
Member

😆 then the ghost writer should be nominated based on this BS review. Does he actually think SARAH wrote this book? I don’t know if she’s ever read a book.

Most memoir type books are written by ghost writers, save for President Obama of course.

Kalima
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That’s odd, I was under the impression that people buying Ms. Mooseburger’s book only look at pictures and many would mistakenly buy the book coming out on the same day,” Sarah Palin

javaz
Member

Good morning, Kalima!
(is it morning by you and how are you today?)

Oprah is only interviewing her for the ratings.

From what I’ve read online, the entire interview seemed staged.
Oprah never brought up anything about Sarah – during her campaigning when her followers would yell out after she mentioned Obama, things like “Go back to Kenya!” or “He’s a terrorist!” or “He’s a n-!”
I had hoped that Oprah would have asked Sarah why she never tried to ease her followers’ racist bigotry by telling them that Obama was not a terrorist and that he was an American citizen.

I never watch Oprah, and never will after this sham interview.

Kalima
Admin

It could be that Oprah is one step ahead and knowing how eagerly SP shows her ignorance every time she opens her mouth, decided to have some fun at SP’s expense. Oprah is not dumb.

I will not be able to see this over here and hope that some time soon someone will be kind enough to provide the link.

Good afternoon javaz.

KQµårk 死神
Member

Good morning. It’s not even time for your elevenses yet I see.

Kalima
Admin

Good evening KQ, no it’s just after 10 am here and pouring with rain, great for ducks.

KQµårk 死神
Member

Quack!

dftt

Kalima
Admin

Simply adorable!!

nellie
Member

Oprah might be trying to outdo Katie Couric.

bito
Member

Hello Kalima, First things First!
How are you feeling? Your family here wants to know.

Kalima
Admin

Good afternoon bitohistory, I trust that you enjoyed your programs last night?

Thank you for your concern, I’m slowly getting ready for my trip and wish that it was behind me already. You will know what I mean when I say that after all these years, I am tired of hospitals, seeing sick people, of the smells and sounds and waiting for long periods parked in a wheelchair that is too short for my legs. Rant over!

How are you?

bito
Member

Just “tikkity-boo”. Good today. Yes the mystery was good. BBC has good shows on they keep me stumped, not like the formula ones usually seen on regular tv.

Kalima
Admin

I miss the Beeb but could get their extra cable channel for drama and comedy shows, however cable is not cheap here and I’m still deciding if it’s worth the extra $20 odd dollars on my monthly cost. At the moment I have BBC World News and Radio 4 Friday Comedy Hour downloaded on my ITunes podcasts every Friday, the “News Quiz” is a hoot.

KQµårk 死神
Member

Actually I’m amazed Palin’s book is not a pop-up book.

Kalima
Admin

With a turkey slaughter in the middle, a pair of daisy printed waders, and a helicoper you can blow on to make the propeller spin, with SP clutching her AK bb gun aimed at helpless wolves. I did read however that she can’t even shoot a gun. “You LIE Sarah!!”

bito
Member

Andrew Sullivan has also been a major fact-checker on Sister S’ahra:
http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2009/07/the-odd-lies-of-sarah-palin-a-roundup.html
If any one in the MSM would have read or read this she wouldn’t even have a book let alone a book tour.

KQµårk 死神
Member

Andrew Sullivan is one of the few sane conservatives out there for sure.